How Do We Know that Iraq Tried to Assassinate President George H.W. Bush?





This is an excerpt from Part II of Section D of the report 'The FBI Laboratory: An Investigation into Laboratory Practices and Alleged Misconduct in Explosives-Related and Other Cases', published by the Office of the Inspector General, Department of Justice, in April, 1997.

Former President George Bush visited Kuwait between April 14 and April 16, 1993, to commemorate the allied victory in the Persian Gulf War. Accompanying Bush were his wife, two of his sons, former Secretary of State James A. Baker III, former Chief of Staff John Sununu, and former Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady.

In late-April 1993, the United States learned that terrorists had attempted to assassinate Bush during his visit to Kuwait. The Kuwaiti authorities arrested 17 persons suspected in the plot to kill Bush using explosives hidden in a Toyota Landcruiser. The Kuwaitis recovered the Landcruiser, which contained between 80 and 90 kilograms of plastic explosives connected to a detonator ( the Bush device or Bush explosive device ). The Kuwaitis also recovered ten cube-shaped plastic explosive devices with detonators (the cube-bombs ) from the Landcruiser. Some of the suspects reportedly confessed that the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS ) was behind the assassination attempt.

On April 29, 1993, CIA bomb technicians compared the Bush explosive device to two known Iraqi explosive devices found in different Middle-Eastern countries in 1990 and 1991 (the Middle-East devices ) . The technicians reported that the remote control firing mechanism in the Bush device was identical to those in the Middle-East devices. Additionally, the technicians reported that blasting caps from the Bush device appeared to be identical to those found in one of the Middle-East devices. The technicians later concluded that the circuit board from the Bush device also closely resembled circuit boards from the Middle-East devices.

In early-May 1993, the FBI sent personnel to Kuwait to interview the suspects and examine the physical evidence. FBI Special Agents, along with representatives of the Secret Service and State Department, interviewed 16 suspects, some more than once. Two of the suspects, Wali 'Abd Al-Hadi 'Abd Al-Hasan Al-Ghazali ( Al-Ghazali ) and Ra'd 'Abd Al-Amir 'Abbud Al-Asadi ( Al-Asadi ), admitted during the FBI interviews that they had participated in the plot at the direction of the IIS.

Explosives examiner Jordan also traveled to Kuwait in May 1993 to examine the Bush device. Jordan examined the main charge, which was hidden in three panels in the Landcruiser and was capable of being detonated by remote control, a timing device, or a push-pull suicide switch. Jordan compared the Bush device to photographs of the Middle-East devices, as well as other devices, and concluded that the same person or persons manufactured the Bush device and one of the Middle-East devices, and that a connection existed between persons responsible for the Bush device and several other devices, including the other Middle-East device. Jordan reported these conclusions in a May 11, 1993 Laboratory report.

Jordan then returned to Washington, D.C., and delivered samples of the explosives from the Bush device to Whitehurst. Whitehurst analyzed the explosive from the main charge and concluded that the substance was approximately 96% RDX, 3% polyvinyl-isobutyl ether binder, and 1% hydrocarbon oil. As for samples from the cube-bombs, Whitehurst concluded that the explosive was consistent with an explosive containing RDX bound with a cross-linked phenoxy or epoxy binder containing Sudan I dye. Whitehurst reported these findings in his June 7, 1993, dictation.

Shortly thereafter, Jordan returned to the Middle-East to conduct further examinations of the Bush device and the Middle-East devices. Based on these examinations, Jordan reported significant consistencies in the selection of individual components and alterations to manufactured items in all of the devices. Jordan concluded that the similarities represented signature characteristics. He further reported that the same person or persons of close association constructed the remote control fuzing systems and electronic timing mechanisms used in all of these devices. Jordan also reported that a second person or persons of close association were responsible for adding wiring and components to the Bush device and one of the Middle-East devices, enabling those devices to be incorporated in vehicles. Jordan reported these conclusions in his June 18, 1993, Laboratory report, in which he also summarized parts of Whitehurst's June 7, 1993, dictation.

On June 2, 1993, representatives of the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and others in the Department of Justice (DOJ) discussed the results of their investigations with representatives of the Clinton Administration. Three weeks later, the DOJ and CIA reported their conclusions. The DOJ and CIA reported that it was highly likely that the Iraqi Government originated the plot and more than likely that Bush was the target. Additionally, based on past Iraqi methods and other sources of intelligence, the CIA independently reported that there was a strong case that Saddam Hussein directed the plot against Bush.

On June 26, 1993, the United States launched a cruise missile attack against a building housing the IIS in Baghdad in retaliation for the assassination attempt on former President Bush. According to news reports, the attack killed between six and eight persons and injured approximately 12 others. On June 27, 1993, Madeleine Albright, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, addressed an emergency session of the Security Council and provided evidence to support the attack on the IIS facility.


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Communist Laponians&N. Socialist Germanians&Anti-sem - 1/22/2004

The Roman of Ahmed RAMI; "Diffusion".. (A tribute to all the Braveheart Muslim Heroes&Shahidun&Martyrs&Freedom Fighter brothers and sisters who sacrificied themselves and left us wonderful honoured remembrance, roadmap of victory and glorified humanist traces to struggle so courageous against the Imperialist Barbarity)


Written by Victoria SCHAMANFOLK&Communist Laponians&N. Socialist Germanians&Anti-semite Revoutionary Britannians&Anti-Fascist Proletarians ** -
Is it a roman? But it includes dialectical materialist essays... -
Essence, dear!.. Essence and essay isn't same things... - Extract...
- Exact.. - But I find Marxistical perpectives, too... -
Yes!.. You can find yourself, too.. Go on simply!.. This roman, "Diffusion"
includes the real-life effects /observations of the Scientist Freedom Fighter
Ahmed RAMI, who wished to use his free speech-rights, ground princips by the
human rights institutions and its qualified acts' paragraphs according to the
constitutional rules and the international conventions, ratificed by SvekJa
Kingdom, also to live quite like an equal human in this oligarchical
"merry-go-round", but... ... ... **
- DIFFUSION? - Expression!.. Right to expression... Diffusional but
not mind zional!.. - ?!
**
- I recorded a version on 13-14 December 1991.
- We would like to listen to this piece because we can better understand why the
Swedish authorities already playing same roles, same scenes with new amateur
marionettes!
- Beginning!...
- Start, dear!
- /.../MARCELLUS: First of all let me say how pleased we are to be here with
Mr. Rami and Radio Islam, and speaking to the Islamic community in
Sweden. This is a great and rare opportunity for us./.../
PHILIPP: Tom, you mentioned the Holocaust and what is it, what can be
refute on the Holocaust? It's, isn't it fact what we hear in the daily
medias, 6 million Jews have been exterminated mainly in gas chambers
in the Nazi territories. What is it what the Institute wants to
[inaudible] on this?/.../
O'KEEFE: /.../ On the question of the Holocaust we revisionists,
following in the American and international revisionist school,
challenge the verdict of Versailles following the first World War and
sought at least in this country to, to keep America out of the second
World War. We have attempted merely to apply to the study of the
so-called Holocaust the, the historiographical standards that should
be applied to investigating any event in the past. And by that
historical method the evidence for a Hitler order, a German policy to
exterminate the Jews of Europe, the deaths of Jews in, in, in any
numbers approaching 6 million and a massive use of gas chambers is,
is, is, the evidence for that is, is virtually nil./.../
PHILIPP: Some people are obviously what I heard from Tom not happy
with the work you are doing, I heard of arson attacks and attempts.Why is this?
/.../WEBER: The Institute calls into question some of the most widely held
beliefs of our time, which have enormous political and social
significance. It's very, the whole story of the, during the second
World War 6 million Jews were killed was a major part of the
indictment the defeated German regime in 1945, and the...alleged
extermination of the Jews was a major reason why the Allied powers
were able to portray themselves as noble as they could, and in an
effort to portray the defeated German regime in the most evil way as
possible. But to call into question the story of the...6 million
exterminated Jews, is to call into question...a major foundation of
the State of Israel for example...And for that reason, especially
Zionist interests have been very, very active in trying to stop the
IHR at every turn. The Institute for Historical Review is certainly
the major publishing centre in the world for books and articles,
leaflets and so forth which call into question the generally accepted
Holocaust story. And for that reason it has been viciously and
enormously unfairly attacked by some of the most powerful individuals
and organizations in the United States or even in the world./.../
O'KEEFE: We are often attacked, it is often said and I believe this is
through propaganda of the Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith,
America's most powerful opinion police, they have said that we have no
trained historians working with us. This is not true. We have at least
5 men who have attained doctorates in history on our editorial
advisory committee. Furthermore, we have specialists, precisely
because of the failure of literary and professional historians in this
country and elsewhere, we have specialists in evaluation of texts and
documents, specialists in the study of chemistry, specialists in the
design and construction of gas chambers. In other words, we are
getting very close to the facts or non-facts of this Holocaust just as
in a routine criminal investigation...We are much closer to the actual
details of what happened than the literary and paper historians who
come forth, issue statements and testify at trials in Germany andother places.
/.../WEBER: I think it is very important to understand that what...the
public believes is the Holocaust story, is not the same Holocaust
story that was told 20 or 30 or 40 years ago and is not the same
Holocaust story that even those historians who believe generally in
the Holocaust story now accept. For example, many important aspects of
the extermination story that were once held to be absolutely settled
and confirmed, have been admitted to be untrue...It was once claimed
that people were gassed at, in concentration camps in Germany proper
such as Dachau and Buchenwald and so forth. These claims were made at
the Nuremberg trial of 1945, 1946, but have since been completely
given up. The attention has focused completely now to claims of
gassings only at 5 or 6 camps in what is now Poland. Auschwitz,
Majdanek, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and Chelmno, and essentially
claims of extermination gassings have been given up in all other
places, in all other camps. Other stories, such as stories that Jews
were steamed to death in steam chambers during the war have been given
up. Stories that Jews were killed in mass electrocution facilities
have likewise been given up over the years, or the story that the
Germans manufactured bars of soap from the bodies of murdered Jews is
another canard, another myth that has also been abandoned. But the
general public has what could be called a very Hollywoodish, a very
childish view of a very evil Hitler who was ranting and raving about
killing the Jews and gave order to kill all the Jews, and that there
is this vast extermination apparatus set up for this purpose. That
story...is not accepted by scholars, even scholars who generally
believe there was an extermination of the Jews. Among those who
believe that there was a mass extermination of Jews during the war,
most of those scholars are now what are called functionalist,
functionalist historians. They believe that there was an extermination
but that it was not planned, that there may not have been an order for
it, that there was no budget for it, there was no central organization
for such an extermination and that it took place as Raul Hilberg, as
Christopher Browning and others have, have written and said, as a kind
of spontaneous...unplanned event, while we believe that all of this
does is underscore just how weak, just how illusive evidence for any
extermination program or policy really is. And we believe that the
burden of proof should lie not with us who are trying to investigate
this whole story, but the burden of proof should lie with those who
make the accusations. And one of the most remarkable things that has
happened in recent years, is that under the impact of Holocaust
revisionism those people who try to uphold the Holocaust extermination
story have been forced to try to present evidence for an extermination
policy or program, and that millions of Jews were killed. And the
astounding thing, for anyone who cares to really investigate it, is
that the evidence that is presented is laughable, it's
minuscule...it's very hard to believe just how ludicrous really the
evidence that is presented by those who are now on the defensive and
forced to try to defend this...accusation, this monstrous accusation.
The other thing that I think is more and more obvious in recent years
to millions of people in the United States and...in Europe and other
countries is the political nature of the Holocaust extermination
story, that is the claim that Hitler killed millions of Jews is used
in a political way to justify policies even today in the State of
Israel, or to justify American support for Israel. Without the
continued and massive military and economic support for the State of
Israel from the United States of America, Israel's very existence
would be very quickly called into question. But...the Holocaust
extermination story has other purposes as well, other political
and...social purposes. And the very fact that in our time and in our
day, that...what is said to deny the Holocaust is considered a crime
is itself evidence of just how powerfully politically important this
whole story is, because in our age, in our time it is not considered a
crime or even considered...an offence to quote deny or to call into
question any other chapter of history. One of the remarkable things is
that...in countries which are considered, European countries or the
United States, which are considered Christian countries it's not even
considered wrong to as it were deny the divinity of Christ or to mock
or belittle Christianity. What it shows I think is that the Holocaust
story has taken on even a kind of theological dimension, it's become
almost a kind of religion. And those people who defend it, especially
the less informed people who...are in the mass media, defend the
Holocaust story with a kind of tenacity which is comparable only to a
religious faith.O'KEEFE: I'd like to agree with Mark and add something
further...Revisionists are often accused of slandering the entire
Jewish people by doubting the Holocaust, acting as if or believing as
if the Jews have conspired as a group. I don't think that's true. But
there is a small number, not merely of Jews but...of historians and
politicians throughout the Western world who have indeed conspired to
keep this ridiculous and slanderous story alive. I don't believe that
a historian, a professional historian who has studied the Holocaust by
the same canons as he studies any other subject and failed to see that
it's a lie, that therefore by implication makes such an historian a
liar. We know that these people are liars, they're learning that we
know that they are liars, there's soon going to be a very interesting
denouement. Furthermore, the politicians, the people who are using the
Holocaust for its political impact to justify the murder of
Palestinians, the slaughter of Arabs throughout the Islamic world,
should bear in mind that they will be judged some day perhaps as
sternly as the German people and their allies during the second World
War and Germans today are being judged for their alleged complicity in
these offences. Isn't it interesting that we drag out the same old
lying atrocity stories to justify and to empower an assassin like
Shamir, a mass-murderer like Begin, a low killer like General Sharon
in their crimes against humanity?/.../
O'KEEFE: Of course our opponents quite unscrupulously confuse the
difference between this intellectual construct, the Holocaust, and the
actual physical things that happened to Jews and others during the
war. They claim that by challenging the concept of a special
Holocaust, a mass sacrifice of Jews, we are denying the existence of
the concentration camps, the German policy on the Jews, the expulsion
of the Jews and so forth. It's ridiculous!...In fact, anyone who reads
revisionist publications will know that revisionists have, starting
with Paul Rassinier...revisionist scholars have studied what went on
in the concentration camps far more closely, and I submit far more
sensitively than the exterminationists have./.../
MARCELLUS: The Holocaust story as it has come to be known, as Mark
pointed out, having developed into a very powerful propaganda
political weapon, is the...allegation that the...Nazi German
government planned and actually carried out a systematic annihilation
of the European Jewish population...and that they largely succeeded in
this, having killed 6 million Jews and that this was largely done in
lethal gas chambers. So these are the 3 components of this, of this
lie. First of all, that it was...deliberately carried out, planned and
attempted. Secondly, that...it resulted in the death of 6 million
Jews, innocent victims. And thirdly, that this...largely took place in
lethal gas chambers. Well...we are attempting to revise this what has
become orthodox or established history, especially here in the West,
by pointing out the fallacy, by...bringing in people and associating
with people who are investigating this in great detail and finding out
that the emperor as it were has no clothes. And of course for this
we've been attacked continuously. /.../ So we formed the IHR, and we
began bringing these books out in high-quality affordable editions, we
began promoting them in various places, we were getting them into
libraries, we began publishing our quarterly Journal of Historical
Review and our IHR Newsletter, and we found that much of the impetus
to keep this going was not only that...thousands of people...really
wanted this literature and wanted to learn more about the Holocaust,
but that the opposition itself, in this country mostly the
Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith and also the Simon Wiesenthal
Centre, began attacking us so strongly that we...suddenly realized we
must be doing something right, we must be on to something here.
And...this also added to the impetus, so since that time interest in
this topic...has continued to expand and grow because...we caught
something here and we started to take it apart, and it's revealed that
this massive, this massive campaign to convince the Western world of
what allegedly took place in Europe...before and during World War II
has...no basis in fact, and..this gigantic whopper as, as some of us
call it here is, is all the more fascinating because of the fact that,
that it is being shown to be a, a hoax. And so there are all sorts of
angles on this, who..was doing this, why where they doing it, what's
the effect of it, it's being used now as a political propaganda
weapon, how is that being used, what are the ramifications, there's
just enormous interest in this topic and we are practically propelled
or compelled by people who, who read our literature and by our
opposition to continue this line of research until we get to a final
conclusion upon which all men of good will can agree.
PHILIPP: Mark, how would you describe the reception of your work in
North America, is it a growing readership and what kind of numberswould you...
WEBER: I think there's no question that Holocaust revisionism is much
better known and even more accepted in the last several years. It's
hard to measure this thing very well, because many individuals who
agree with us, who are inclined to support us are afraid to say so
publicly. /.../ There is no question that the Jews of Europe suffered
a catastrophe during the second World War. Many Jews died, many Jews
were even killed, but what happened..is not one event. What happened
to the Jews of Europe...could be compared to what happened to the
Germans during the second World War. Many Germans died, many Germans
were killed but we don't give a single name [Holocaust] to the fate of
the Germans during the second World War...In the popular consciousness
the fate of the Jews during the second World War has more
significance, more import than the fate of any other people during the
second World War. And that is a, an imbalance, a...distortion of
history which we feel is really wrong and in fact this distortion
exists for, we think, self-serving and obviously motivated reasons.
PHILIPP: Well Ted, that leads to the conclusion Jews or Jewish
organization must have tremendous power in the Western world, why
would they otherwise be so much in favour of other nations although,
as Mark said, they have suffered as well and we only know the, the
label for, for one suffering and this for the Jews and the Holocaust.
O'KEEFE: Well, I don't think you can blame Jews exclusively,
many...groups are powerful throughout history, many groups
have...pushed their own suffering. I think you can look at the...moral
laxity of non-Jews in...surrendering to this, one must congratulate
Jewish organizations, let's say the hierarchy...of persons and
organizations which gives orders and leads Jews just as they attempt
to Gentiles, for their persistence here...One can point out that this
alleged near-extermination of European Jewry has had many names, and
it's getting names still. It was 'genocide' or 'the final solution',
then the 'Holocaust', now people who are a little more in, a little
more modern refer to it...as the 'Shoah', in Hebrew I believe it means
the destruction. And there is another word the 'Khurban' which is
coming on, it seems to me...this is a little telling. Someone who has
a dubious or shoddy product to, to merchandise will keep changing the
name...for public relations in fact. Secondly, on this business of
judeo-centrism, it's very true what Mark says. We have this magical 6
million number which has no basis in...any sort of realistic
demographics whatsoever, but increasingly throughout America and the
Western world the, the fate or what happens to Jewish people is judged
on an entirely different standard than...what happens to other people./.../
O'KEEFE: It's quite important to stress that despite what the media
and what our professional detractors and enemies say, revisionism is
not a right-wing movement, is not a racialist movement, is not a
religious movement. We have, the revisionists writing now, producing
for our Journal...and forwarding our work, who are Jewish, who are
leftists, who are anarchists, who are homosexuals, who are
fundamentalist Christians, we have atheists, we have one member of our
board who is a Moslem, we have a Japanese member now, we have always
been very, we're all Americans. The Institute for Historical Review
has an American orientation, I believe it is most important for
Americans to learn from revisionism. We as Americans profit greatly
from the protections in our Bill of Rights./.../
PHILIPP: I refer to Louisiana again and...such a breakthrough in, in
the public voting for somebody [David Duke] who is described as a
Nazi, as the incarnation of Hitler. If that continues and it...will
come to a wider view in the public and your institute will succeed in
getting...the message across that there were no gas chambers, this had
been wrongly put forward, what is the institute's next step if that
task has been fulfilled, if...
MARCELLUS: Well, I think an important...aspect of all this is
something we have to continuously keep in mind, is that when we are
slandered by groups such as the Anti-Defamation League of Bnai Brith,
the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and those are able to influence in the
media, and we're smeared by them and linked with...these terrible
words like neo-Nazi, antisemite and so forth, I think we have to
constantly keep in mind that it's necessary for people to get to know
us. It's necessary, maybe not, perhaps not personally but trough our
literature, through our Journal and through our Newsletter. And the
more people we can reach with this material, the better able we are to
convince them that we are not a bunch of crazies, that we are not
cranks, that we are serious scholars, that we're honest people. We're
Americans, we're interested in the truth, we're not interested in
attacking any specific group, we're interested only in bringing
history into accord with the facts...What happened in Louisiana, the
way the media attacked Duke and the words they used to attack him
with, the way they slandered him, I think...it points up how important
it is for Americans to, to know what revisionism is, what Holocaust
revisionism is and what it means. And that the people who are
promoting this point of view are interested, have honest motives, have
decent motives and I think that the more we are able to accomplish
this, the less effect the opprobrium in the media, the attacks from
the media, the attacks from the ADL, the less effect these will have
until finally, it our hope, nobody will listen to these, to these
ranting and raving groups and will understand that they are ones,
really, who are protecting interests. They are the ones who have a
great financial and political investment in the perpetuation of these
lies. Right now...they attempt to deflect attention on to us by
calling us names, but I think as time goes on the spotlight is going
to focus more on them and their motives, and I think as the public
realizes that their motives are not very clean, that they are trying
to protect vital interests, that that's going to start to change
things in the United States and perhaps all over the world./.../
WEBER: It is not us who say that the fate of the Jews during the
second World War should be politicized or emotionalized. It is in fact
over and over our adversaries, individuals for example as Elie Wiesel
or Deborah Lipstadt who insist that the Holocaust is so unique and so
special that it must serve a very important political and what they
call educational role. We believe that if history is to be learned
from, if we are to learn lessons from history as people say we should,
it should be looked at with the same sort of objectivity that we look
at any other aspect of history. And the history of the Jews during the
second World War should not be given a special status different than
that of any other aspect of history. And we believe that if one is
seriously, tries to answer the questions we have raised one cannot
help but come to the kind of conclusions that we have come to. But it
is in fact our adversaries who insist that their should be no
questioning, no discussion of this issue of history. In fact...one of
the very, very sad and hypocritical aspects...of this is that many of
those who insist, as a group of scholars for instance did in France
several years ago when they insisted there must not be any debate or
discussion about the gas chambers or the Holocaust, that many of these
people are themselves scholars who insist upon investigating, insist
upon scientific and sober and objective discussion about every other
aspect of history. But on this one aspect of history they insist
not...And one of the ways in which it has changed, is the matter of
who is guilty for the Holocaust or who's guilty for all of this.
During the second World War and for a few years right after the war
the guilt was supposedly that of Hitler and his small group of, a
circle of colleagues, or perhaps the guilt was that of the German
people. But interestingly enough, in recent years the Holocaust story
is used to in fact indict all of humanity. Increasingly, everyone is
guilty. Not merely...the German people as a people, but all Europeans
and in fact all of humanity is considered collectively guilty for
this. It's...a further example of a real kind of judeo-centric view of
history, that...what happens to one group of people...has this very
special status. And another interesting aspect too of it in the last
year...is that even the leaders of the Allied countries, of the United
States and Britain and the Soviet Union are also increasingly
considered guilty if not for carrying out the Holocaust extermination
of the Jews but for permitting it to take place. This was done just
recently by Elie Wiesel in an interview in which he denounced Winston
Churchill and Franklin Roosevelt for permitting the extermination of
Jews to take place. And this is so perverse, this is such
a...distortion of history. Not only of the objective facts of history
but of the meaning of history that this points up again the need and
the importance of the work of the IHR and of Holocaust revisionists
around the world./.../
MARCELLUS: I think, to answer your [Rami's] question as directly as I
can, if..the media, if the mass media in this country treated equally
and fairly the viewpoints that we have, as they do the viewpoints of
the opposition I think...this would immediately bring, bring an
enormous change, a political change in this country. The IHR
itself...is not a political organization, but of course the work that
we do has powerful political implications. If it were suddenly
permissible to say that the gas chambers did not exist and we have
proof, that the 6 million Jews were not killed because there is no
evidence, if it were permissible to say this in the press and if the
editors of the big newspapers and the writers of these newspapers were
willing to say this, without at the same time accusing us of being
crazy, I think it would make Congressmen, Senators free to, to
criticize the Israeli lobby, free to...do things more...conducive to a
better America and a better world rather than every time they do
something, doing it for the benefit of Israel and Zionism. I
think...if we could speak freely about this in...the academia,
in...Congress and in the public forums, in the mass media, I think it
would severely, severely reduce the power that the Zionist lobby has
in this country and perhaps even in the Western world./.../
RAMI: In reality the American state should give you help, financial
help, because I think Philipp now ask you about the...Jewish
propaganda which compare revisionism with AIDS. I think what is the
characteristics of AIDS and cancer it is that when the body has losed
the immunity, and I think the Jewish power, Jewish propaganda are the
really [inaudible] immunity from the society because they are
dominating all the mass media, TV, radio, and I think they are the
really AIDS and cancer...and I think you are the little rest of the
immunity in the American society, you are the symbol and sign of the
health in the American society. And I think, as Muslim, I think all
the free people must help you because to help you is to help the
truth...I don't say that you have the absolutely truth, but you are
fighting for the truth, for what you believe that is true...And we
must help you...What our listeners, young pupils from the school,
normal people, ordinary people from the Sweden, what they can do for
to help the revisionists?/.../
MARCELLUS: We have a very popular and powerful pamphlet series of I
think 7 or 8 different pamphlets that address various aspects of
historical revisionism and the Holocaust story, and these, we have
distributed the hundreds of thousands of these. Some of them are...in
various languages now, perhaps if some of these could be translated
into your language and, and these could be handed out to, around
schools, in the neighbourhoods, perhaps...that would have somepositive impact.
WEBER: I have a very specific suggestion. I urge your listeners who
support our work and wish to help us to get in contact and to contact
Mr. Ahmed Rami, and to form an organization of revisionists in Sweden
of Swedish people, because in many different countries now there are
very active and very good organizations of...revisionists, in France,
in Italy, in Britain, in Belgium, in the Netherlands, in the United
States, in Canada, but as far as I know there's not a really good
organization or periodical and such in Sweden. And we believe it would
be a very, very good thing if those listeners who wish to help should
organize together and the person to get in contact to do this would be
Mr. Ahmed Rami./.../
MARCELLUS: We do have a number of supporters that we send our
literature to in Sweden and who do subscribe to us now...It's
increasing, yes it is increasing. This is true of all Europeancountries./.../
WEBER: This charge of being Nazi, or neo-Nazi or being antisemitic is
one that is made now I think so often that it is losing a great deal
of its impact...And all these other kinds of charges, all these silly
accusations in the long run will mean nothing.
MARCELLUS: And I think your listeners should also know that, that we
don't fear this term 'Nazi'. That we, we are in favour of studying
that period of history and finding out the truth about that period. If
Hitler did not order the extermination, if the Germans, the Nazis did
not carry out the extermination, then let's know that, let us know
that and let's talk about that and let's bring it out into the open,
and let's determine what really did take place from 1933 to 1945. And
just to close, finally...your listeners should know that the Institute
feels that the United States should not have been in World War II,
that we had no business being in that war and that in fact our own
President at the time, Franklin Roosevelt, did everything in his power
to get us involved in that war for various political reasons. So this
again sets us up against the establishment if you will of history and
makes our work very difficult but when people call us names like
neo-Nazi, these are names that are designed to make others think that
we are not legitimate. That name itself does not bother us./.../
WEBER: Another example is that, it's a very, very thick book
published...in the United States and in France by the Klarsfelds, a
long book by Jean-Claude Pressac as an attempt to answer the
revisionists. A very expensive, a very thick, a very well-illustrated
book. This was also really a disaster for the exterminationist side,
because the more they attempt to get into an argument, the more they
have to deal with very specific questions, specific details. And the
more one talks about specifics, the more one talks about real facts,
concrete facts, the more this is a disaster for their side and the
more this is a victory for our side. Because as I said before, the
Holocaust story is really very largely a kind of political propaganda
construction. And it's very interesting that those people, even many
scholars who are supporters of the Holocaust extermination story go
about defending it in precisely opposite way that a professional
historian is supposed to operate. What generally they do is to start
with the assumption that the Hitler government killed millions of
Jews, and then they go out and try to find evidence to support that
view. That is precisely the opposite of the way a historian should
operate. A historian should be interested in gathering evidence and
then determining what this is evidence [inaudible]. In the case of the
Holocaust story, the historical establishment almost always operates
in precisely the opposite way and in...really an illegitimate way./.../
RAMI: Have you, Marcellus, something to say about the Zionist
lobby...here in USA. What do you think about the future of this lobby,
do you think that this power of this lobby is more stronger or how is
the situation now?
MARCELLUS: I think the power of the Zionist lobby is perhaps at its
apex, or...no I would say it was at its apex 5 years ago, or between 5
and 10 years ago, and is now beginning to go on a downward trend. And
I think...I see the power declining as we are able to say the word
'Zionism', as we are able to say the word 'Jew' or 'judeo' or 'Israel'
without having to practically bow down and apologize every time we say
it. I think the more we can speak about the Holocaust, the more we can
speak about Israeli influence and Zionist power in this country, the
more we can openly speak about it I think their power can only decline
as a result of that. Free expression, freedom of speech in our
Constitution, our Bill of Rights, we as Americans hold these rights
very dear and I think...that the power of the Zionist lobby in this
country can only keep a lid on this for so long. It can only stifle
open debate for so long before it's gonna bust wide open, and when it
does I...think it's gonna be devastating for the Zionist power in thiscountry.
WEBER: I would...add, I think there are two objective factors that
have also been responsible for a change in attitude. One is...the
intifada in Palestine. This is an event which...is now widely known
around the world and has made it much more obvious the nature of the
Zionist state in a way that was not obvious before. That is...I think
an objective reason why there, a part of the objective reason why
there has been a change in attitude. Another thing that has changed in
the world and will have even a greater impact in the next 10 years and
20 years has been the enormous changes in Eastern Europe and the
Soviet Union, the end of the Communist world. Because all of the new
governments which have arisen in Eastern Europe are essentially
revisionist governments. What we are seeing is the end of the post-war
order that was established in 1945 by the victorious powers of the
second World War, especially by the Soviet Union and the United
States...The climate is now created for a much more objective
understanding of history, and a much more objective understanding of
really the world I would say, that was not possible before. For 40
years both the United States and the Soviet Union were essentially
interested in creating a world, although they were adversaries and
were against each other in many ways, each of these 2 countries were
however in favour of a world in which, well, a national heritage,
religion and culture would have basically be done away with
and...subordinated to a world of consumers and producers. We have seen
in the last several years though and...in the collapse of Communism an
enormous revival of...national consciousness and cultural
consciousness in Eastern Europe and in Europe as a whole. And this
runs completely counter to the outlook...of the post-war order that
was established in 1945 by the Allies. So we are seeing in, throughout
Eastern Europe and...the former Soviet Union the rise of, of new
states which are inherently revisionist in their nature./.../
WEBER: In the last several months there has been an enormous increase
in American popular support for...a foreign policy which puts American
interests first. There's a very, very widespread belief and it's been
articulated especially by Patrick Buchanan and by others as well but
probably most eloquently by Patrick Buchanan, but there is very
widespread belief that America is, is now facing very, very major
economic and social problems here at home, and that America no longer
really has the luxury any more of spending enormous money and effort
and time in adventures in foreign countries...what you might say an
America first policy. Well, this...policy really isn't so much
anti-Israeli, but it has the effect of...being anti-Israeli because
it's basically saying America should treat Israel as it does any other
country. That is, we shouldn't have any special ties and give them
special consideration and special money. There is going to be in the
years ahead...a much greater clash, a much greater conflict between
you might say Jewish-Zionist interests in the United States
and...other interests here. For example, there has been increasing
tension over the last 10 years between...Black Americans and Jewish
Americans. And this was manifest a few weeks ago in what could perhaps
be called a pogrom in...New York State, in which one Jew was killed by
a mob shouting 'Kill the Jews'. Something like that hasn't happened in
Europe since the second World War. And increasingly...as America sort
of breaks down racially and ethnically, tension and conflict between
various ethnic groups has increased in this country. Not between
Whites and...non-Whites as much as between various non-white minority
groups, including the Jews. For many years...Jewish groups were you
might say the forefront or the vanguard of minority interests in the
United States, but in the last several years other minority groups,
Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and so forth, are less and less willing to
allow, in effect, Jewish organizations...to speak for them and to be
their representatives. So that's something...that will change in the
years ahead...Even though David Duke was defeated in Louisiana, the
fact that he got the support he did is...an expression of just how
deeply the felt the rage and disgust is among millions of Americans
with the direction the country is going in...Now, all of this kind of
dissatisfaction has not yet manifest itself in a very concrete or very
specific political way. And again, when I was talking earlier about
attitudes, popular attitudes towards Israel or Zionist interests, this
again does not yet manifest itself in...concrete political form or in
policy. But it's there and it's definitely a very palpable and real
thing, and it's bound to be more consequential in the years to come.
Rami now interviews Karl Philipp.
RAMI: Now I will ask you Karl Philipp about the Jewish lobby or Jewish
power in Germany today. Can you tell us what is the situation today?
PHILIPP: Well, Jewish powers in Germany or I would rather say the
influence and the power of Jewish organizations, I would not describe
it as a general Jewish power, is certainly there and I like to quote a
famous politician in the German Bundestag, his name is Heinrich
[inaudible], he described it with the following words. He said: If I
say shit-Jew I will be convicted, if I say shit-German nothing
happens. So, as what he said, the relationship with the Jewish
communities in Germany and maybe Europe-wide is not normal.
RAMI: You mean that Jewish, Jewish lobby and the Jewish...community
have privileges and that the Judaism has privileges, and that the
German people...is discriminated in Germany?
PHILIPP: Well, you could have put this way. Heinrich [inaudible] made
it very clear. If...I getting convicted, if I even get a [inaudible]
sentence when I say shit-Jew, but at the same time when German people
getting defamed, getting called bad names nothing happens, so you can
only conclude that they have certain privileges and I think this has
to be stopped, it has to be changed. Otherwise we, the Jewish
organizations themselves will create a tremendous anti-Jewish feeling
in the country. Now when it comes to the boiling point that people
feel they being oppressed, they cannot express their opinion, that
they are not allowed free speech it will result in, in other terms ofresistance.
RAMI: I don't understand why the German people accept this
discrimination. Why they accept that the German people have not the
same rights like the Jewish in Germany?
PHILIPP: Well, this is easy to describe. We have now a country you
could say 24 hours a day in the electronic medias like TV and radio,
we have...atrocity propaganda against Germany, we...getting told 24
hours a day and 30 days a month and 365 days a year what have done
supposingly to the Jews, and that makes it in a way making the Jews
saint and making the German people criminals, and I don't think that
this could go forever without causing tremendous problems.
RAMI: /.../ The Jewish power, the Jewish propaganda has tried to
exterminating all national feeling in Germany. Do you think that the
nationalism will...come back to German nationalism again?
PHILIPP: It will as certain come back than as it came back in the east
part of this world. Look at the Soviet Union, look at the eastern
countries. It has been for 70 years not only suppressed, they have
slaughtered about 60 million people just to wipe out national
feelings. But you cannot wipe out a natural element which lives in the
[inaudible] of people...it will come back with thrust. And this is
what we experience now in Germany, and of course, again, Jewish
organizations and their lobbyist politicians in Bonn and their
lobbyist politicians in Paris and everywhere try to...eliminate this.
But people start wondering why would the Jews in Israel not accept,
why would the Israelis not accept any other influence in Israel, but
Jewishsm [sic] at the same time, the same leaders, demand from other
countries 'get yourselves destroyed by invasions of millions of other
people'. And this is the question people asking now themselves, I give
you more details. Rabbi Yitzhak from Toronto, Ginsburg from Toronto,
he said in '89 first of June, it was printed on page 1, he said 'to
slaughter Palestinians, that is allright. Because the blood of
non-Jews and Jews are not the same'. With other words the blood of
non-Jews is of lower quality, and that's allright to kill them. So
this is an attitude which is shared by the leaders, by Jewish leaders
throughout the world, for instance in Germany the leader of the Jewish
congregation Heinz Galinski he is supporting Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg
and he is supporting Israel so with other words he is supporting this
horrible racist attitudes! And people wondering...why is allowed for
the Jews being racist in a way which is terrible and disgusting,
criminal. And at the same time these same Jews are demanding the
European nations to surrender their national identity to millions and
millions of immigrants. At the same time, what is it causing? For
instance, in Europe especially Germany we had traditionally very good
relationships with the Arab countries, excellent relationship. Real
deep friendship you could say. Now, of course millions and millions
and millions of Arab people flooding into our country, flooding into
Europe, and no nation can accept this...This is invasion and any
invasion is causing resistance. In other eras it had been war right
away, this time because of the propaganda it's tolerated. But what do
they achieve the Zionist propagandist in Israel? Naturally, our good
friendship with the Arab states is suffering or even breaking apart
because due to these immigration invasions the people in Europe start
hating the Arabs. And this should not be the case, we should have our
relationship maintained what we had before. We should really care for
this and we should support the Arab countries with our technology,
because it's our natural ally against Zionist power and attempt for
world domination. So, and we have to support these Arab states and
we...sell everything to Israel from the...biological weapon to atomic
bombs, which they threat the Arab nations with it. That will never be
a course of peace and we have to change our policy. So I think with
this immigration business it's also part of Zionist strategy in Tel
Aviv to put something in between...to create conflicts and this is
what we have to [inaudible].../.../
RAMI: But Jewish power they are totally dominated your country, the
West, politically, juridically, culturally and economically. And this
is...a paradox, big paradox that the mass media in your country they
are telling very positive about the Jewish nationalism, nationalism,
Jewish chauvinism. Even if this Jewish chauvinism, objectively, and is
to kill, to exterminating Palestine people, to dominate [inaudible]
this is Jewish nationalism, aggressive nationalism. But when I have
been recently in Germany, and when I visit USA and when I [inaudible]
in Sweden, people in the West are just asking about to be, to have
their country to ourselves [sic], Germany for German peoples, Sweden
for the Swedish people, France for French people and I think if this
nationalism is just defensive, I mean the French nationalism, the
modern German nationalism want just to have own country to own people,
I think it's, it's positive. If...massmedia are telling
positive...Jewish nationalism, which is aggressive because Jewish
nationalism don't want only have domination on Palestine but want
their domination...on German people, to own the German country, they
are working for the German [sic] domination in USA, the German
domination, Jewish domination in France and I think it's duty for
every French, every German person to make resistance and to
be....nationalist in the positive meaning, I mean if this nationalism
is just defensive and not...make expansion like the Jewish and Zionist
nationalism.
PHILIPP: Well, of course. This is absolutely the fact. Nationalism is
described...as you outlined it, just Germany for the Germans, France
for the French and...Arab [sic] for the Arabs. This is natural thing,
but the difference is what they try to telling us is that nationalism
would be something like chauvinism, would be something like
imperialism. But...who are the imperialists? USA is calling themselves
far away from nationalism, but they suppressing the whole world. They
are destroying the culture everywhere with oppression, with financial
oppression, big military oppression etc. What is this? This is the
real evil in this world! Nationalism cares only for their own nation
in their own territory. What is wrong with this? This is a natural
element. But of course they are telling us this is bad, because of
their own activated strategy to destroy the nations. And look at their
slaves, their lobbyists, I refer to Chirac in...Paris. What kind of
guy is this?...Jacques Chirac in the first place playing along with
the ideas of Zionist congregations in Paris, condemning nationalism
saying 'OK, we need and we want all the Arabs' and now he says 'Arabs
and Blacks are stinking people, we have to kick them out'. So, what
kind of arrogant attitude is this? Of course, Arabs are not stinking
people, they are just human beings like we are and the only thing is
if they are coming millions it will be a hostile atmosphere. But you
yourself, you are a Moroccan and I...think you can speak out of
experience that there was never a hostile feeling against you in
Sweden, and there would be none in Germany, there would be none in
France as long the number is in a size where...people don't feel
threat. So, it is obvious that it is a set-up of Zionist plans, you
know, launching this conspiracy, creating hatred between the Europs
[sic] and the Moslemic, Islamic world which should not be the
case...it's a Zionist conspiracy! They want to part us, and this we
have to avoid. And we have to support the Arab nations, I believe our
natural ally is these days only the Arab, Islamic world.
America...itself is, as I saw the other day in TV...to a great extent
under Zionist lobbyism. So what can we expect from there? Nothing!
Bush, George Bush, he launched the war against Iraq for and in the
interest of Israel, and those who don't believe this, Chancellor Kohl
had confirmed this himself 16th of September 1991 at a press
conference in the White House and the Rose Garden together with Bush.
It slipped out of his mouth, he said he doesn't know anybody who did
more for Israel than George Bush. He even launched a war for him [sic]
and took responsibility for it. You see, this is the domination of
Zionist powers in that number one power of the world. So, in order to
break this evil power we got to support, with our technology, with our
economy the Arab world. We got to support the Islamic world, it's our
natural ally. Our nationalism, the same as the Arab nationalism. It's
a defensive element, it's an element caring only for their own but
never imperialistic, never chauvinistic unlike Zionist...aggression,
unlike US imperialist. Look, we are united in Germany now, they
telling us we are a sovereign country. Now, why would, why do the
Americans still have to be in Germany? Why is it still that we have to
bear and endure the occupation of this country? There is no threat
from the East! Who is threating [sic] us? Nobody is threating us. But
I think the, the [inaudible] from this power are in a way scared that
there could be a change of politics within Germany, and that's why
they need probably the American occupation powers in order to maintain
also Zionist powers.
RAMI: Can I ask you, now the Jewish dominated mass media present this
victory in Gulf war as a Western victory. Do you...think that this is
a victory for the West or for the Jewish?
PHILIPP: Well it's of course only, plainly a victory for Israel. It's
a tremendous disaster for the West. There is a 150 million Arab people
who are hurt by this action. This was absolutely terrible, it was
unjust, it was a double standard and again I have to repeat myself, it
was a war launched for Israel, Chancellor Kohl himself said this. This
is a fact, it slipped out of his tongue! And people now asking, how
come there were 700 resolutions against Israel over 25 years of time?/.../
PHILIPP: The Arab people will not forget whatever the propaganda tries
to tell us. And this is what I call...a disaster for the West. We're
gonna lose our face in the Arab countries and it is awful for the
future. Our historical, wonderful relationships will suffer. And we
have to stop this madness that the Western world will just do what
Israel demands, we have to stop this madness.
RAMI: You are from Germany, I will ask you, do you think that war, the
war two was for America or for the Jewish...power?
PHILIPP: Well, again I only can repeat myself. Kohl...himself
confirmed it, it was the war for Israel.RAMI: And the World War II?
PHILIPP: Oh, World War II, this is interesting. In 1933 the...Jewish
World Congress already declared war against Hitler and no Jew was at
that time really discriminated and being chased or whatever, so, and
in '39 Chaim Weizmann declared 'we're gonna get America into this war,
how we did it, the same way we did it already in the first World War'.
Of course they had special interest in this Jewish
organization...Zionist organizations in World War II as well, and now
as Peres said two years ago after World War II the world became
Jewish. That tells it all...I think, and this cannot go on forever. It
has to be stopped, the relationship has to be normal and we cannot
tolerate this kind of oppression in the world.
RAMI: I remember somebody tell me that if we can...make liberation of
the West we can help you in the Arabic world against the Zionist and
I...answer them that if you can...make liberation of the West we can
liberate the Palestine ourselves, because Israel cannot exist without
support from your countries and I think now we in the Arabic world we
are convicted [sic] that...must first liber [sic] USA, must first the
people in the West fight for to liber the West from the Jewish power
because Israel, the Jewish power in the world are dominated...the West
and they using all the West as tool for to dominate our country and
for to domination of Palestine.
PHILIPP: Well, I like to quote Israeli...attorney, lawyer Felicia
Langer who spoke recently in Stockholm and she herself stated that it,
Israel succeeded very well by blackmailing the West, by getting the
West - even America - under their thumb. And I agree, once the
support in arms, once the support of money will be restricted to [sic]
Israel...the problem for the Palestinian people and the suffering will
come to an end. And all these people and politicians who are praising
[probably meaning 'preaching'] humanity are most of the time
hypocrites, because they are closing their eyes at the terrible,
horrible massacres on the Palestinian people in a way what only sick
minds can, can commit. When I heard this from Felicia Langer that
pregnant women getting tied up with hand and feet and have to deliver
their babies, what, how can you tolerate such a thing? And by the
West, supporting Israel again with money, with arms and weapons and
everything, this is supporting this crimes, this is being part of this
criminal actions. That has to stop, that has to come to an end and we
have to try to convince and to, to get this truth to the people, that
they eventually will recognize here is a Zionist interest working and
in place, and we have to stop this, we have to think of our own
interest and that will solve the Middle East crisis.
RAMI: I can tell you that when I was in Morocco, all my life I
was...against nationalism, against chauvinistisc [sic]
nationalism...Zionistic nationalism. But when I come to Europe and I
met that all, all newspaper, all mass media, TV, radio are...make
glorifiration [sic] of the Jewish nationalism and chauvinistisc, very
reactionary nationalism. And in the same time they are fighting all
mass media against the Swedish nationalism, German nationalism, fransk
[Swedish for "French"] nationalism and I now hope that a very strong
nationalism can wake again, can grow up...again in Europe for to
fighting against the horrible, this criminal and expansionist Jewish
nationalism and I hope even that a new strong nationalist leader can
come...in German [sic]. And I ask you, is possible a new nationalism
can [inaudible] in the West?
PHILIPP: It will come. It's bound to come. We look at France, we see
how Le Pen, it's gaining popularity, how he's gaining support from the
masses and serious polls show if there would be an election today he
could expect at least 20 percent of the votes. That means Le Pen's
party, the Front National would automatically become the strongest
party. We have seen the success of Haider in Austria, and certainly
something will come up in Germany and all the other countries because
it's an unnatural course what's taking, what's on the track right now
and that will not go on forever. And again you pointed out absolutely
correct, we have to denote, we have to see the difference of
propaganda when they are telling us we are anti-, we are this and we
are nationals, and we are of course of national care. Again, natural
element! But we are not like the Zionist, imperialists, chauvinist who
are going into other countries, eliminating the culture there,
suppressing the people, killing the people! No, no, no! We are caring
for ourselves and not in criminal actions abroad. This is the
difference. And I like to refer again to Israel. Israel is the same
country, nobody complains, nobody's dared to complain against Israel
although it's the only country I believe, or maybe the second after
South Africa which was condemned by the United Nations in 1975 being a
- and still today this is valid - labelling Israel a racist country.
So what is this? A racist country...from the United Nations condemned
as a racist country, is denouncing other countries who only want to
care for their own country, remaining...Germans, remaining French
people, calling them nationalist! How is this? /.../ Stop Israel's
criminal actions, this is all to it.
RAMI: What do you...want to tell something to the Swedish listeners
and to Swedish nationalist, in your opinion how can they make nice
work, nice job for to fighting against the, this Zionist domination inSweden?
PHILIPP: Well, the first step must be, analyze what is the Swedish
interest. And when they have determined this is our national interest,
let's go for it. Automatically they will...discover all foreign,
especially Zionist influence and will just cut it off. That just what
we...have to do in Europe and everywhere, is to say [inaudible] Sweden
first, and you're Jewish, you're Jewish in your congregations in this
country, just adapt yourself to it. And obey the national law! And if
Israel doesn't accept any other nationality within Israel, and if they
even having a...very high check on immigrants they have to prove that
for centuries! There have been Jews already. Good God, I mean we can
at least ask for our minimum rights...you can live here, no problem
but you obey our national law! And once this is determined I think the
world will be in a better shape. Swedish people in the first place
have to research, they have to look into it. They have to establish
who is owing, who is directing the medias. Who owes [sic], is
directing the economy. Who is, who has got the saying in the judicial
system? And who is the influential part in cultural business and
aspects? Democracy means fight concentrations, democracy means a
widespread pluralism. In that case, look into it. See who dominates
the medias, look into it. Who has got the economy in it's hands? Look
who dominates the cultures and setting up this. Once you have
analyzed, once you have determined you will immediately know where the
Swedish interests [inaudible] down the floor, and you will have to
re-establish Swedish interest. The real question is...are the Swedish
interest really in the foreground? Or are Israeli interests are
dominating? This is what Swedish people have to find out, what they
have to analyze and to get it in a straight matter, to get it back to
normal again. I refer to the nonsense what they're telling us with
minority exclusive rights and if they refer to democracy, minority
have to follow the majority. Why do they turn it upside down all of
sudden? You see, in democracy the majority rules. But it, when it
comes to Zionist interest, they just turn it upside down! All of
sudden, minority should have privileges. This is nonsense, and I give
you a more hardening example. In Israel the majority are Palestinians,
they have been living there for thousands of years. Israel has driven
them out of their wide land and in the occupied territories they
haven't got a saying at all! Not even down to the lowest official
office, nothing! Israel would never grant a Swedish person to have any
rights in Israel, but they demand all the rights, Zionist lobbies
demand all the rights for instance in Sweden. How to compare this? How
to accept this? This cannot go on, every Swedish person must object
this. Get your rights, and Israel should be happy with the same rights
what Israel would grant a Swedish person. A Palestinian who has been
driven out by Israel and who lives abroad has no rights to come back
to his own country, but an Israeli can get right, can obtain right
away Swedish [sic] citizenship. Every Jewish person in the world,
every Jewish person - I repeat this - has got the fundamental right to
come back to Israel, to settle in a land where he has never lived
before. But a Palestinian - again, I repeat this again - a Palestinian
has to be driven out by Israel from his own soil, is not allowed to
come back, is not allowed to come back to his homeland. And this is a
standard a democrat, a freethinking mind cannot tolerate. And I give
you another example. Every, every Jewish person in the world is
granted the right to go to Israel. It was established in the first
place that this international law of humanity was violated from the
very beginning. Just imagine that France says only a French person who
can prove that he is French by blood for centuries is allowed to come
to France. It would be a scandal world-wide, racism...would be the
screaming. The same thing applies for Germany and Sweden. Israel can
do it...without causing any complaints in the world. Jewish are
allowed to come to Israel...come to a land which was taken away by
violence from the Palestinians. And Palestinians who have been
compelled from their own land, driven out by Israel powers, forces,
are not allowed to come back to their own home land! And the world
community is silencing this criminal actions down and I call on all
Swedish people, when Jewish leaders in Sweden are demanding
immigration laws that other nations can come in as they wish to, tell
this people 'yes, we will accept this as once as Israel allows us and
any nation to settle the same way in Israel. When this is settled,
when this is equal, yes we accept this suggestion but not before'.
RAMI: This...big problem that the humanity, human beings today must
fighting for equality with the Jewish. Jewish today want...domination
over all the world with special rights, with discrimination, with
apartheid against other human being, especially against the
Palestinian people, and...I hope that one day in the future the German
people can have the same rights, equality with the Jewish people in
your own country! It's a scandal [Rami's voice breaks] that you, Karl
Philipp, militant nationalist, German nationalist, you have not, you
have not right to express your opinion in the mass media as the Jewish
have. If you are Jewish you have all mass media open for you, but
because you are German you are discriminated! What is your feeling,
feeling against this discrimination?
PHILIPP: Well, this is why I feel very much attached to the
Palestinians. I call the German state a Palestinian, a Palestinian
state in Europe and yes I agree, I wish we would have the same rights
and I hope the say will not be too far that we will reinstate our
fundamental rights, and I hope it also in the sake of peace between
Jews and Germans...in Germany. It, it cannot ever end peacefully if
the majority is discriminated, if the majority has to suffer an
apartheid. This time not in South Africa, this time between Jewish
leaders in Germany being just the long arm for Israel, and the
majority of German people. That cannot go on, and I appeal to every,
every reasonable man to stop this! Otherwise the masses will revolt
and it will then cause a lot of turmoil, a lot of trouble and, and
innocent Jews will suffer, and innocent Germans of course. And I want
to avoid this, I want peace. But peace can only be if we stop Zionist
superiority.
RAMI: And which we call the just peace, peace and the justice and the,
because the peace without justice are not, is capitulation. I think
the Palestine people, the Arabic people, Muslim people and the
Palestine Golf [sic] in all the Arabic country are feeling the same as
you, we are. The new Jewish world order want build this Jewish order
on the Muslim and German peoples som [sic] capitulation. But I think
any people in the world can accept humiliated like this humiliate,
humiliating capitulation.
PHILIPP


Maezeppa - 12/18/2003

The most compelling evidence presented by the USG, that CIA bomb technicians compared and found a match between "the Bush explosive device to two known Iraqi explosive devices found in different Middle-Eastern countries in 1990 and 1991" but the facts are less clear. For one, the CIA analysts found the device to be much more generic and believe it could be attributed to any ME state and not just Iraq.

In his December 5, 1993 investigative report in The New Yorker, "A Case Not Closed," Seymour Hersh found the wiring was of the most common sort.

Sure, ti might have been Hussein. It might also have been planted by Kuwaitis who were alarmed at the statements of the new President, Bill Clinton, who said he was open to negotiations with Baghdad and the lifting of the sanctions. The "assassination" report ended all possibility Clinton could do so, and left him with the "regime change" policy.


Editor of HNN - 10/15/2002

Ed. Note: The following post on H-Diplo concerns the questions raised by Seymour Hersh about the Bush assassination story.

Dear Colleagues:

Professor Villa wonders why the Iraqi agents who attempted to kill former
President Bush upon the occasion of the latter's visit to Kuwait in 1993
were not extradited to the United States. The answer is of course that
they were quite properly tried by Kuwait inasmuch as their offense had
been committed upon Kuwaiti soil.

The article by Seymour Hersh to which Mr. Villa appeals was published
almost immediately in the aftermath of the attempt on Mr. Bush's life. It
is, in short, years out of date and fails to account for evidence
subsequently developed. One need only compare the article (which appeared
in "The New Yorker") with the material so ably summarized by Mr. Philips
to see as much.

In his post Professor Villa charges that I am a "sometimes intelligence
officer." This charge is altogether false and utterly without foundation.

For the record, I have had as an adult exactly one job -- that of civilian
historian for the U. S. Air Force. Official historians of course have
access to the classified information required for our duties, but that
does not make us intelligence officers.

Eduard Mark
Department of the Air Force


Ata Agah - 10/8/2002

Do we know what kind and how much presents Bush paty received form the Kuwaity


bal - 10/2/2002

See Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker - "A Case Not Closed"

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/content/?020930fr_archive02

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