Anti-War Meeting at the American Historical Association





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Following is an email being distributed by historians Van Gosse and Andor Skotnes, on behalf of the Radical History Review (RHR).

RHR Associates Colleagues,

The RHR Collective is planning to hold an open meeting at the AHA for historians who oppose the escalating war plans of the Bush administration. We have reserved a room that will hold 175 people for this meeting at the conference hotel on Friday, January 3, 6:30-8:00.

We would like your feedback, suggestions and, if possible, help on this meeting. Here are our tentative plans:

1. The purpose of the meeting will be to hold an open-ended discussion about building a network of historians opposed to the looming US-led war in Iraq.

2. As of now, we as RHR are sponsoring the meeting. However, if we can get a clear proposal for the meeting together, and if we have the energies and time, we can look for co-sponsors. But, if necessary, we feel the meeting can be a success if we sponsor it alone.

3. The meeting will be publicized through various history-related listservs and History News Network, leafleting at the AHA, the RHR table at the AHA, and the upcoming issue of the Radical Historians Newsletter.

4. We envision the meeting as an organizing event, not a teach-in on the impending war. Therefore we have asked Ellen DuBois and/or Joyce Appleby to open the meeting by speaking about the efforts they led against a unilateral US attack. The chair would then offer a basic proposal that we create some sort of ongoing antiwar network of historians, and then open the meeting up for discussion about what the folks present want to do. We would like to come out of the meeting with an organizational plan (however modest) and some initial activities (however modest.

5. We should, at the meeting, propose forming an organizing committee to follow up on whatever the meeting decides to do (and we should have several nominees in mind for that committee). Also, we should be ready to get a list of names/addresses/telephones/e-mails for those present, etc., etc.

So that is our thinking at this point. If you have a chance, could you let us know what you think? For example;

* Do you basically agree with the above plan?

* What suggestions or additions can you offer?

* How can you help? (A few RHRers have said they will be at the AHA and can help, but we need more; also we need help from those who won't be at the AHA.)

Thanks for any suggestions or help that you can offer.

Solidarity, Andor for the RHR SC


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Glenn Slocum - 4/19/2003

Where are the "thousands of soldiers are ....in body bags?" Anita?


Larrry Nicholas - 1/18/2003

It's the left that speaks of Love & Hate, as in Hate crimes, or the Love of the Earth. Though they won't admit it, they do hate President Bush, they can't even talk about President Bush without being bitter about Gore's loss.

As to the recession, it's one that was started by Clinton if you recall, and if you won't admit, it is an accepted fact by economists that Clinton started the recession. The suite against Microsoft by the democrats because Gates wasn't giving them any "contributions" (you want to talk about politics and money) really was probably the start. You also seem to have forgotten the economic collapse due to the attacks on this country on Sept. 11th.

Name calling? What about the left calling Bush an idiot? Saying how stupid he was and how much smarter Gore was (though Bush has a Masters in Biz and Gore failed to get a divinity degree).

Health care cost are sky rocketing due to the governemnt intervention and laywers. The state govs. all grew at huge rates all through the 90's. Even though the economy was exploding and tax money was coming in faster than ever, they were still able to spend it faster than it came in. Now they are all wondering where the money went.

You really don't care about soldiers, or you would be supporting them.

It's called defense, something Clinton didn't understand. These axis of evil countries have gotten out of hand and should have been stopped long ago. Arafat should have been executed as a crimial years ago, and the Palistinians sent back to Egypt, Jordan, Saudi etc. where they came from. Then we could see how well the Muslims takecare of their own (they won't send food, only weapons).

Be honest with yourself, you really don't like Bush do you? You probably don't agree with anything he wants to do just because he's Bush.

I'm a Libertarian, no a Republican, I believe in both economic & personal freedoms.

Larry


Anita Wills - 12/29/2002

Why do those who align themselves with the right speak in terms of hate, and love? This is a political issue, and many disagree with President Bush, and his policies. How anyone can take that to the level of hate is beyond me. Is anyone aware that John Hinckly was the son of a conservative Republican?

Name calling does not change the face that the Bush Administrations policy in the Middle East are going to drive this Nation to a Depression (we are already in a recession). We have lost jobs, and entire industries have gone down the tube. I am not looking at Clinton vs. Bush. I am looking at my friends who are unemployed, and losing health benefits, and homes. I am looking at the Silicon Valley Plants that are standing idle. Going to War with Iraq will not change that, in fact it will create more problems.

What is going to happen when thousands of soldiers are sent home in body bags? How will be take care of those who are crippled, and maimed, with no money? Everything depends on winning the war against Iraq. What about North Korea, China, Libya, and other countries of that ilk. We are about to divide the world up, and leave ourselves open to assaults from all sides.

That is not the thinking of someone who hates Bush, that is the thinking that any rational person should be doing.


Michael Besal - 12/28/2002

BTW, if you are really historians at this website, maybe you should reset the date on your server to accurately record the date of the posts. According to my non-historian calandar, today is December 27, 2002, NOT December 12 of that year.


Michael Besal - 12/27/2002

The only thing historians should do is record and analyze history, not create it. If you want to make history, call yourself something else, perhaps "activist".


Ron Walker - 12/25/2002

There are many reasons, But in my mind, there's one that stands out.
The American people have basically rejected the Left's core ideology since it emerged on the scene in the 1930s and was re-energized in the 1960s. We have, so to speak, "driven their ideas around the block" for decades, and decided that a few moderate versions of their policies are worthwhile (e.g. Social Security, federally insured banking system), but most do not work.
There's an old adage that when people no longer want to talk about ideas, they talk about people. When they can no longer win a battle of ideas, they resort to personal attacks. The Left knows that very few people want to listen to their shitty ideas anymore; and since they can't come up with any new ideas, all they're left with is convincing people who share some of their beliefs to hate those who don't.
They won't admit it, but Leftists really hate the "average" American person. They are disgusted that people who live in places like Oklahoma and Kentucky - people don't give a rat's ass about their utopian socialist philosophy - and generally enjoy the American way of life. George W. Bush is generally admired by people like this, and so, he is an object of hatred.
R. Walker, Houston, Texas


Ron Walker - 12/25/2002

There are many reasons, But in my mind, there's one that stands out.
The American people have basically rejected the Left's core ideology since it emerged on the scene in the 1930s and was re-energized in the 1960s. We have, so to speak, "driven their ideas around the block" for decades, and decided that a few moderate versions of their policies are worthwhile (e.g. Social Security, federally insured banking system), but most do not work.
There's an old adage that when people no longer want to talk about ideas, they talk about people. When they can no longer win a battle of ideas, they resort to personal attacks. The Left knows that very few people want to listen to their shitty ideas anymore; and since they can't come up with any new ideas, all they're left with is convincing people who share some of their beliefs to hate those who don't.
They won't admit it, but Leftists really hate the "average" American person. They are disgusted that people who live in places like Oklahoma and Kentucky - people don't give a rat's ass about their utopian socialist philosophy - and generally enjoy the American way of life. George W. Bush is generally admired by people like this, and so, he is an object of hatred.
R. Walker, Houston, Texas


Brent - 12/25/2002

Front Page Mag Rules!


Brent - 12/25/2002

Attack Iraq? - Yes!


Jonathan Burack - 12/24/2002

Of course, the historians will tell you their special expertise gives them a unique perspective on current events. The fact that equally competent historians take opposed positions on current issues all the time never seems to register with them regarding the total disconnect between historical expertise and political wisdom. Not content to just do its job like others in our society, our "intelligentsia" is ever ready to do everyone's else's as well.


Paul Trow - 12/24/2002

I have no objection to people expressing their opposition to a war with Iraq. It is - although the "RHR Collective" would probably deny it - a free country. What I do object to is the herd of academics who believe that their doctorates in narrow, specialized topics give them some special wisdom about current affairs, and who frequently misuse their authority as teachers to foist their opinions on their students.


Gary - 12/23/2002


Amen, Katharine.

I cannot agree more with your views on the leftist "reconstructionist 'academics'". These history professors should truly be "history."


John McGinnis - 12/23/2002

Mr. Tyrannos,

Novel. However we need not distract the WO on the B2 that much! I merely suggest we issue all the attendees a $1 laser pointer and at the appropriate time they hold a 'light show' of solidarity outside. I think the appropriate laser guided war head can take care of it from there.....

John McGinnis


Claude Bogardus - 12/22/2002

Have the professors already organized a team to write the outline of the history of the Crusade answering the Jihad? Has a substantial delegation of notables been dispatched to Iraq, Syria, Eretz Yisroel, Lebanon, Jordan, Yemen, the Trucial States, Oman, Iran, and Saudi Arabia to gather facts? Have close working relationships been established with the Arabists of the British Universities? Will Prime Minister Blair survive in his present High Office?


catherine - 12/22/2002

As a history major at the University of California, I was taught to love Mao, to swallow every sanctimonious line the left gave me. And to not pay attention to the atrocities Ho and Mao and others committed. Today, students are taught to disregard all of Saddam's atrocities.
Leftist historians deserve little respect. It's time to end university tenure, fire all college professors, and rehire a team which which present all points of view--not just Marxists'. A history department needs only about 2% of its profs to be leftists. Not the 99% we have today (all 99% screaming about "diversity.")


Leonard Magruder - 12/21/2002

VIETNAM VETERANS FOR ACADEMIC REFORM
The student auxiliary at the University of Kansas
Leonard Magruder - Founder/President
Former professor of psychology - Suffolk College, N.Y.

STUDENT ORGANIZATION AT UNIV. OF KANSAS LAUNCHES NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO OVERTHROW DECADES OF ACADEMIC LYING ABOUT VIETNAM- CALLS FOR PROTEST IN WASHINGTON

Leonard Magruder, President of Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform, the student auxiliary at the University of Kansas, today sent out 80 complimentary copies of his documentary, "How the Campus Lied About Vietnam," as requested by universities and vet organizations all over the country. This is part of a new national campaign by his organization to fight media bias against 3 new films that challange the false view of the Vietnam War that has been institutionalized on campus to protect those who would not serve.
As reported in an Oct. 6 editorial in the "San Diego North County Times", "Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform wants to provide Americans with a more accurate portrayal of the Vietnam War." Also, "They're asking college and high schools to include Vietnam veterans in class discussions...the veterans' perspective is dramatically different from teachers who learned about the war from media coverage."
Said Mr. Magruder, "The campus version of the Vietnam War needs to be discredited because it is based on lies of the 60's now being rejuvenated and recycled to attack the nation's new war effort. This could lead to another polarization and defeat. This is also our response to the infamous "Not in Our Name" ad signed by many who were leaders in the 60's war protests calling the current war on terrorism "unjust, immoral, and illegimate". These are the same words they used in the 60's to hand SouthEast Asia over to genocide and tyranny."
Lisa Makson in an article in "FrontPageMagazine .com" said, "Everyone knows that American universities have become centers of political indoctrination, whose faculties regularly stomp on the academic freedom of their students."
David Horowitz, a former leader of the anti-war movement of the 60's expands on this. "Beginning in the mid-60's, the left made a concerted effort to take over our colleges and universites. Four decades later, they have a stranglehold on hiring, teaching, and administering most of our schools in all 50 states. As they took control they trampled free speech, banished conservative professors, and turned our schools into little more that hugh megaphones for anti-American rhetoric."
With the recent more objective books and films about the Vietnam War, the veterans of that war can now show how faculty and students lied in the 60's leading to the current academic situation. With that, the entire edifice of indoctrination will come tumbling down. This must be done because, once again the leftist tyranny on campus is fatally misinterpreting the current world crisis, and this will again lead to disaster. For massive growing complaints nation-wide from students see http://www.noindoctrination.org.

At the anti-war protest in Washington on Oct. 26 protestors, mostly university people, shouted from the Vietnam Memorial (The Wall), "If these men were here today they would be with us." That is certainly not likely to be true of the vast majority represented by The Wall. In a recent poll of Vietnam vets by VFW Magazine, "90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country. 66% said they would serve again if called upon." This effort by the protestors to falsely manipulate those who can't fight back is a disgrace. Said Mr. Magruder, "At the next demonstration coming up I would like to see 100,000 Vietnam vets form a line, away from the Wall, but between it and the protestors, to say, "These men would not be with you in your "Hate America" campaign. They gave their lives fighting for a just cause, the freedom of South Vietnam from Communist aggression from North Vietnam. You lied about them in the 60's and you are lying about them again. And what you are teaching about the war is a lie also."

About 80 organizations will initially be showing the Magruder film; universities, (such as Univ. of Colorado, Duke Univ., American Univ., Univ. of S.C., Rutgers, Univ. of N.C.-Chapel Hill ), veteran organizations, (such as the Special Forces Association, 1st Marine Division Association, DAV, American Legion ), and numerous university R.O.T.C. units. A number of the organizations said they would try to get the film shown campus-wide, and on television.

Said Mr. Magruder, "There are many forces in our society that would like to keep films like this from the public, the main offender being the university. For example, William Tuttle, professor of American Studies at the Univ. of Kansas, who teaches about the Vietnam War, said in a recent edition of the local newspaper,"The one thing we know about the people who fought in Vietnam is that most of them were poor and black."( "The Lawrence Journal World," July 15 ) Said Vietnam vet and former Sec. of the Navy James Webb in a recent article "The common claim that it was minorities and the poor who were left to do the dirty work of military service in Vietnam is false. The main imbalance in the war was simply that the privileged avoided their obligations , and have persisted since that time in demeaning the experience in order to protect themselves from the judgement of history." When we sent out a university-wide e-mail quoting data from VFW Magazine that showed the Tuttle statement to be a gross error, there was no acknowledgement and no correction . Chris White, a graduate teaching assistant in the department wrote back, "Please don't send me this hateful crap anymore." Facts are hateful crap to today's left leaning history departments.
The current flap between an Air Force cadet and a professor of history at St. Xavier University, drawing thousands of letters of protest from veterans, is another example of veterans speaking out when academics make public statements intended to further ideological agendas against America. A polite request for information about a gathering of political scientists from an Air Force cadet was responded to by Professor Peter N. Kirstein in a typical leftist "Exorcist" reaction, with head spinning and rhetorical green vomit spewing :

"You are a disgrace to this country and I am furious you would even think I would support you and your aggressive baby killing tactics of collateral damage. Help you recruit? Who, top guns who reign death and destruction upon nonwhite people throughout the world? Are you serious, sir ? Resign yor commission and serve your country with honor. No war, no air force cowards who bomb countries without AAA ,(anti-aircraft) without possibility of retaliation . You are worse than the snipers . You are imperialists who are turning the whole damn world against us. Sept. 11 can be blamed in part for what you and your cohorts have done to the Palestinians, the VC, the Serbs, a retreating army as Basra. You are unworthy of my support."

THE VC !!! Every cliche in the leftist handbook, plus tears for the Viet Cong. It reminds us of what David Horowitz, a former anti-war leader wrote recently,"Make no mistake. We wanted Hanoi to win the war." The most rabid right-wing fundamentalist has nothing on a professor who has been "offended."Academics today are perpetually constipated with offense over something. But what is really impressive are the professor's rules of engagement. Only "cowards"drop bombs on people they can't see, and if the enemy runs out of anti-aircraft ammunition, to make the fight fair you have to wait until the enemy resupplies. Brilliant !
This is no aberration. The breakdown in logic like this is the norm on campus today, particularly in the social sciences. On top of that they imagine that they occupy some sort of moral high ground, when the average person can clearly see they are talking nonsense.
The President of the university apologized to the Air Force Academy and suspended the professor from teaching and his record will be reviewed next semester before teaching again. We would like to see a lot more of this. In the 60's the soldiers couldn't respond, but they can this time. No more free rides. This time professors are going to have to defend their positions, without lying about those who serve.

Three documentaries have recently become available that seriously challange the campus view of the Vietnam War.
The first new film was recently mentioned in a news item out of CNS News.com. Christel and Calvin Crane traveled 14,000 miles across America interviewing Vietnam vets, recorded in a four-part film, "The Long Way Home Project" with introductions by General H. Norman Schwarzkopf (ret.) and commentary by leading figures of the era and a number of prominent war historians. The film was the winner of the 2002 Houston International Film Festival.
The series contains a great deal of material that has been suppressed by the media and campus for decades, such as the positive developments in the years following the Tet Offensive, the success of the pacification program, the progress under Gen. Abrams, the improvement and successes of the South Vietnamese Army, President Thieu's bold land programs and arming of the South Vietnamese people, and the final betrayal of American and South Vietnamese sacrifices by anti-war elements in the U.S. Congress.
The four -volume set of films sells for $69.95. Information on it can be found at http://www.ourpatriots.com. or by calling 1-800-945-2478. Said the CNS press release, "So far there have been no agreements to broadcast the documentary."As of this writing the History Channel has turned it down.
The second documentary is "Silent Victory", produced by Don C. Hall and Annette R. Hall. A remarkable account on film of Company F- 51st Long Range Patrol(Airborne) - Infantry from a number of perspectives by members looking back 30 years, interspersed with actual footage of the unit in action in Vietnam. Especially revealing is the commentary by H. Norman Schwarzkopf and others on the Tet Offensive , the performance of the media and the anti-war movement. The film has won three awards at various film festivals, one reviewer telling the producers it had won "the highest rating ever." Yet all cable and major networks have returned the film to the producers marked "sight unseen." The film may be purchased at website http://www.i-served.com for $19.95.
The third recent documentary, "How the Campus Lied About the Vietnam War," was produced by Mr. Magruder, President of Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform. In the mid 80's Mr. Magruder took his home movie camera to Vietnam vet parades in Chicago and Houston and interviewed 62 Vietnam veterans at random, asking them the question that had been studiously avoided by the national media, "What do you think about the campus war protestors."Across the board the general response was that the position of the protestors was "false, hypocritical, and damaging to the war effort." ("The Stalwart", K.U. student newspaper). The film that resulted is a one hour representative sample from the 62 interviews.
The vets tell how lies by the protestors created a stereotype of them that made it difficult to get jobs and fit back into society. They tell how they were shunned on campus, were attacked at airports, with many forced to hide the fact they were veterans. They tell how they found supplies from American universities in Viet Cong strongholds.They describe the war protests variously as "disgraceful", "unfair", "treasonous" , "uninformed", and "demoralizing." They also tell how former war protestors wept in the streets with guilt at national parades, and had to be comforted by those marching. This phenomenon was never mentioned by the media or campus. Magruder44@aol.com 1-785-843-3737

With this complimentary distribution the film "How the Campus Lied About Vietnam" is now available by sending $15 to the address below.
Also available, the 60 page monograph by Mr. Magruder, (typed, single-spaced), "The War on the Home Front", battles fought at home by V.V.A.R. in support of those who served. $12.
Send orders for either to Leonard Magruder, 933 1/2 Massachusetts St., Lawrence, Kansas, 66044. Shipping included.
This is a non-profit organization. Proceeds will be used for our next project, a film on the Vietnam Symposium at the Univ. of New York - Stony Brook, the largest ever held. Mr. Magruder served as National Coordinator for this project.
for more articles from V.V.A.R. see:
http://members.aol.com/bear317k/magruder.htm


Leonard Magruder - 12/21/2002

VIETNAM VETERANS FOR ACADEMIC REFORM
The student auxiliary at the University of Kansas
Leonard Magruder - Founder/President
Former professor of psychology - Suffolk College, N.Y.

STUDENT ORGANIZATION AT UNIV. OF KANSAS LAUNCHES NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO OVERTHROW DECADES OF ACADEMIC LYING ABOUT VIETNAM- CALLS FOR PROTEST IN WASHINGTON

Leonard Magruder, President of Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform, the student auxiliary at the University of Kansas, today sent out 80 complimentary copies of his documentary, "How the Campus Lied About Vietnam," as requested by universities and vet organizations all over the country. This is part of a new national campaign by his organization to fight media bias against 3 new films that challange the false view of the Vietnam War that has been institutionalized on campus to protect those who would not serve.
As reported in an Oct. 6 editorial in the "San Diego North County Times", "Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform wants to provide Americans with a more accurate portrayal of the Vietnam War." Also, "They're asking college and high schools to include Vietnam veterans in class discussions...the veterans' perspective is dramatically different from teachers who learned about the war from media coverage."
Said Mr. Magruder, "The campus version of the Vietnam War needs to be discredited because it is based on lies of the 60's now being rejuvenated and recycled to attack the nation's new war effort. This could lead to another polarization and defeat. This is also our response to the infamous "Not in Our Name" ad signed by many who were leaders in the 60's war protests calling the current war on terrorism "unjust, immoral, and illegimate". These are the same words they used in the 60's to hand SouthEast Asia over to genocide and tyranny."
Lisa Makson in an article in "FrontPageMagazine .com" said, "Everyone knows that American universities have become centers of political indoctrination, whose faculties regularly stomp on the academic freedom of their students."
David Horowitz, a former leader of the anti-war movement of the 60's expands on this. "Beginning in the mid-60's, the left made a concerted effort to take over our colleges and universites. Four decades later, they have a stranglehold on hiring, teaching, and administering most of our schools in all 50 states. As they took control they trampled free speech, banished conservative professors, and turned our schools into little more that hugh megaphones for anti-American rhetoric."
With the recent more objective books and films about the Vietnam War, the veterans of that war can now show how faculty and students lied in the 60's leading to the current academic situation. With that, the entire edifice of indoctrination will come tumbling down. This must be done because, once again the leftist tyranny on campus is fatally misinterpreting the current world crisis, and this will again lead to disaster. For massive growing complaints nation-wide from students see http://www.noindoctrination.org.

At the anti-war protest in Washington on Oct. 26 protestors, mostly university people, shouted from the Vietnam Memorial (The Wall), "If these men were here today they would be with us." That is certainly not likely to be true of the vast majority represented by The Wall. In a recent poll of Vietnam vets by VFW Magazine, "90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country. 66% said they would serve again if called upon." This effort by the protestors to falsely manipulate those who can't fight back is a disgrace. Said Mr. Magruder, "At the next demonstration coming up I would like to see 100,000 Vietnam vets form a line, away from the Wall, but between it and the protestors, to say, "These men would not be with you in your "Hate America" campaign. They gave their lives fighting for a just cause, the freedom of South Vietnam from Communist aggression from North Vietnam. You lied about them in the 60's and you are lying about them again. And what you are teaching about the war is a lie also."

About 80 organizations will initially be showing the Magruder film; universities, (such as Univ. of Colorado, Duke Univ., American Univ., Univ. of S.C., Rutgers, Univ. of N.C.-Chapel Hill ), veteran organizations, (such as the Special Forces Association, 1st Marine Division Association, DAV, American Legion ), and numerous university R.O.T.C. units. A number of the organizations said they would try to get the film shown campus-wide, and on television.

Said Mr. Magruder, "There are many forces in our society that would like to keep films like this from the public, the main offender being the university. For example, William Tuttle, professor of American Studies at the Univ. of Kansas, who teaches about the Vietnam War, said in a recent edition of the local newspaper,"The one thing we know about the people who fought in Vietnam is that most of them were poor and black."( "The Lawrence Journal World," July 15 ) Said Vietnam vet and former Sec. of the Navy James Webb in a recent article "The common claim that it was minorities and the poor who were left to do the dirty work of military service in Vietnam is false. The main imbalance in the war was simply that the privileged avoided their obligations , and have persisted since that time in demeaning the experience in order to protect themselves from the judgement of history." When we sent out a university-wide e-mail quoting data from VFW Magazine that showed the Tuttle statement to be a gross error, there was no acknowledgement and no correction . Chris White, a graduate teaching assistant in the department wrote back, "Please don't send me this hateful crap anymore." Facts are hateful crap to today's left leaning history departments.
The current flap between an Air Force cadet and a professor of history at St. Xavier University, drawing thousands of letters of protest from veterans, is another example of veterans speaking out when academics make public statements intended to further ideological agendas against America. A polite request for information about a gathering of political scientists from an Air Force cadet was responded to by Professor Peter N. Kirstein in a typical leftist "Exorcist" reaction, with head spinning and rhetorical green vomit spewing :

"You are a disgrace to this country and I am furious you would even think I would support you and your aggressive baby killing tactics of collateral damage. Help you recruit? Who, top guns who reign death and destruction upon nonwhite people throughout the world? Are you serious, sir ? Resign yor commission and serve your country with honor. No war, no air force cowards who bomb countries without AAA ,(anti-aircraft) without possibility of retaliation . You are worse than the snipers . You are imperialists who are turning the whole damn world against us. Sept. 11 can be blamed in part for what you and your cohorts have done to the Palestinians, the VC, the Serbs, a retreating army as Basra. You are unworthy of my support."

THE VC !!! Every cliche in the leftist handbook, plus tears for the Viet Cong. It reminds us of what David Horowitz, a former anti-war leader wrote recently,"Make no mistake. We wanted Hanoi to win the war." The most rabid right-wing fundamentalist has nothing on a professor who has been "offended."Academics today are perpetually constipated with offense over something. But what is really impressive are the professor's rules of engagement. Only "cowards"drop bombs on people they can't see, and if the enemy runs out of anti-aircraft ammunition, to make the fight fair you have to wait until the enemy resupplies. Brilliant !
This is no aberration. The breakdown in logic like this is the norm on campus today, particularly in the social sciences. On top of that they imagine that they occupy some sort of moral high ground, when the average person can clearly see they are talking nonsense.
The President of the university apologized to the Air Force Academy and suspended the professor from teaching and his record will be reviewed next semester before teaching again. We would like to see a lot more of this. In the 60's the soldiers couldn't respond, but they can this time. No more free rides. This time professors are going to have to defend their positions, without lying about those who serve.

Three documentaries have recently become available that seriously challange the campus view of the Vietnam War.
The first new film was recently mentioned in a news item out of CNS News.com. Christel and Calvin Crane traveled 14,000 miles across America interviewing Vietnam vets, recorded in a four-part film, "The Long Way Home Project" with introductions by General H. Norman Schwarzkopf (ret.) and commentary by leading figures of the era and a number of prominent war historians. The film was the winner of the 2002 Houston International Film Festival.
The series contains a great deal of material that has been suppressed by the media and campus for decades, such as the positive developments in the years following the Tet Offensive, the success of the pacification program, the progress under Gen. Abrams, the improvement and successes of the South Vietnamese Army, President Thieu's bold land programs and arming of the South Vietnamese people, and the final betrayal of American and South Vietnamese sacrifices by anti-war elements in the U.S. Congress.
The four -volume set of films sells for $69.95. Information on it can be found at http://www.ourpatriots.com. or by calling 1-800-945-2478. Said the CNS press release, "So far there have been no agreements to broadcast the documentary."As of this writing the History Channel has turned it down.
The second documentary is "Silent Victory", produced by Don C. Hall and Annette R. Hall. A remarkable account on film of Company F- 51st Long Range Patrol(Airborne) - Infantry from a number of perspectives by members looking back 30 years, interspersed with actual footage of the unit in action in Vietnam. Especially revealing is the commentary by H. Norman Schwarzkopf and others on the Tet Offensive , the performance of the media and the anti-war movement. The film has won three awards at various film festivals, one reviewer telling the producers it had won "the highest rating ever." Yet all cable and major networks have returned the film to the producers marked "sight unseen." The film may be purchased at website http://www.i-served.com for $19.95.
The third recent documentary, "How the Campus Lied About the Vietnam War," was produced by Mr. Magruder, President of Vietnam Veterans for Academic Reform. In the mid 80's Mr. Magruder took his home movie camera to Vietnam vet parades in Chicago and Houston and interviewed 62 Vietnam veterans at random, asking them the question that had been studiously avoided by the national media, "What do you think about the campus war protestors."Across the board the general response was that the position of the protestors was "false, hypocritical, and damaging to the war effort." ("The Stalwart", K.U. student newspaper). The film that resulted is a one hour representative sample from the 62 interviews.
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Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos - 12/21/2002

What "Mega Dodo" needs is some major pyschiatric help & a fitting for a straight jacket.

As for the suggestions - hold the conference at the Baghdad hilton & be sure to send the exact time, date & GPS coordinates to the USAF Stealth B-2 Bomber Targeting Officer before you leave.


Jonathan Burack - 12/21/2002

Well, it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?

How about ...
No anthrax in the NY subways.
No rape-tortures in the Baghdad prisons.
No radioactive craters where Tel Aviv used to be.
No small pox for you, no a-bombs for me.

Should I go on? I know you are all historians. And so, you are all wound-up and ready for history to repeat itself (as in "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, NLF is gonna win.") Sad to say, however, there isn't even the phantasmagoric image of an uncle Ho or a peasant army with rice bowls this time. No indigenous anti-colonialist, nationalist, righteously indignant rebel farmers. No poster-boy Che, no Mao's little Red Book. Only Saddam and his fascist torturers. Good luck getting off on the defense of that. I do not envy you.


Jonathan Burack - 12/21/2002

Well, it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for?

How about ...
No anthrax in the NY subways.
No rape-tortures in the Baghdad prisons.
No radioactive craters where Tel Aviv used to be.
No small pox for you, no a-bombs for me.

Should I go on? I know you are all historians. And so, you are all wound-up and ready for history to repeat itself (as in "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh, NLF is gonna win.") Sad to say, however, there isn't even the phantasmagoric image of an uncle Ho or a peasant army with rice bowls this time. No indigenous anti-colonialist, nationalist, righteously indignant rebel farmers. No poster-boy Che, no Mao's little Red Book. Only Saddam and his fascist torturers. Good luck getting off on the defense of that. I do not envy you.


Hilary Evers - 12/21/2002

As a serving member of the US Army with knowledge of Iraq I can tell you categorically that Iraq does have WMD and intends to use them on Israel and on the United States. OK so now your choices are save your own lives or die thinking that you can hold back the barbarian with good wishes. You call yourselves historians; tell me of a culture that succeeded in defending its existence with good wishes.


William J. Key - 12/21/2002

Why are we paying these unscholarly ex-hippies to indoctrinate our children?


Dingle Barry - 12/21/2002

Loser lame-o's. If you don't like the USA, leave. Oh, you're all nerds who hide behind computers.


Bob Wood - 12/21/2002


We need to fix the enemy so he can't hurt us ever again...
That causes peace. These america hating "historians"
ought to know that there has never been a negotiated
peace that worked.


Jerry Hurtubise - 12/21/2002

This is an amazing website, organized by leftists to launch their activities. But, for every hand wringing, limp wristed, anti American leftist, there seem to be comments by 5 or 6 writers who are fully opposed to you.

This level of complete failure is on a par with the professional performance of the historians in teaching young people history.

Is there anything that you people know how to do?


Jerry Hurtubise - 12/21/2002

Nicely said, but these leftist clowns only listen to themselves. How could people who call themselves "historians" be so profoundly ignorant of history?

Stupidity has been defined as "repeatedly expecting different results from the same circumstances." Welcome to RHR/AHA...


Mega Dodo - 12/20/2002

"Thanks for any suggestions or help that you can offer."

Your group has too much of a phallo-centric conciousness! We need to demand real, substantive freedom, including the right to conciousness-raising drugs. Only that will bring with it the afterbirth of Femconciousness that will lead to a peaceful Gaia!!!


therealprogressive - 12/20/2002

, holding candles aand singing imagine, isnt going to make very real threats facing the world go away. Here is a little history lesson for you: unprovoked, Hussein started a war with Iran, invaded Kuwait, used WMD against the Kurds and sees himself as the second coming of Nebuchadnezzer. After 9/11, can we afford not to be proactive? one last question: who exactly benefits from not taking out Saddam?


therealprogressive - 12/20/2002

, holding candles aand singing imagine, isnt going to make very real threats facing the world go away. Here is a little history lesson for you: unprovoked, Hussein started a war with Iran, invaded Kuwait, used WMD against the Kurds and sees himself as the second coming of Nebuchadnezzer. After 9/11, can we afford not to be proactive? one last question: who exactly benefits from not taking out Saddam?


David - 12/20/2002

All you brilliant academics would feel right at home in Europe where Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism are actually state-sponsored occupations. Aid and comfort to an enemy that would just assume shoot you fools in the face and sell your families into slavery. One of the many reasons why I left the "left."


David - 12/20/2002

All you brilliant academics would feel right at home in Europe where Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism are actually state-sponsored occupations. Aid and comfort to an enemy that would just assume shoot you fools in the face and sell your families into slavery. One of the many reasons why I left the "left."


Steve Rudd - 12/20/2002

"A global empire bought with the blood of innocents"? This is seems like a bit of hyperbolic, hysterical jingoism.

More power to you for following the great American right of protest, just don't be dismayed by the reaction. There is a great American right to be competly ignored as well.

Aren't academics supposed to peel away the layers? It seems to me you folks, like the left in general, are rapidly becoming irrelevant, because of the blatant refusal to go beyond simple jingoism that completely fails to address actual issues.

Americans aren't stupid, they see right through the bull. You folks are inadvertently providing a great education with your shallow efforts, albeit not the education you likely desire.


Van Crevald - 12/20/2002

Hats off to the tenured! I was under the impression historians were to document and analyze history, not influence it. By the way, two dollars off at the door if you sport tweed.


Larry Nicholas - 12/20/2002

Why does the extreme left hate President Bush so much? This isn't about war, innocents dying, or "Imperialism", it's about hating President Bush.

Why did we not see similar protests to President Clinton's wars? Bombing asprin factories, war lords in Somolia, war in Yugoslovia? (I wonder if the troops will still be home before Christmas). This anti-war movement where there was none against Clinton, just show who the hypocrits are!

Libertarian Scout Locksmith
Larry


John McGinnis - 12/20/2002

First, if you are a professional historian and in a position of teaching such topics; you need to go back and improve your technique. Recent results show that the majority of college graduates cannot correctly identify the general at Yorktown or the sitting president during WWII. As it is right now the wards of your tutelage do not remember any significant snippet of history.

Second, do you have children Sir? Do you wish to be in the position of having to explain to them 10 years hence why we did not stop a madman when we had the chance? Three regimes today are preparing to develop tactical missles capable of hitting Hawaii, Anchorage, Brussels, Rome, Moscow. Iraq, Iran and North Korea are all on that track.

Third, A sane individual watching his neighbor prepare to burn your house down does not sit idly by. He either prepares to defend himself, snufs out the torch or brings in someone of proper authority to do so.

Fourth, an empire is based on the conquering, possession and retention of the land, resources and inhabitants therein. So far Sir, the US has 'conquered' France, Germany, Belgium, Italy and Japan during WWII. 'Conquered' South Korea during that conflict. 'Conquered' South Vietnam only to give it up. 'Conquered' Kuwait during the Gulf I conflict. And in every instance the US has turned over the fruits of it's gains back to the very inhabitants it supposedly came to 'conquer'. That Sir does not an Empire make.

Fifth, the American people have spoken. In what was one of the most significant midyear elections since before the postwar period the electorate at the county, state, and federal level have voted to increase the party in power. The electorate is clearly concerned with the current state of geopolitical balance in the world. They deemed the Democratic party incapable of handling the situation. They have deemed it in the best interest of the country as a whole to permit the President to carry forward with what is required to execute regime change in a country headed by a madman.

That you wish to protest, go for it. It is your right. However before you do so, you better go ask your Grandfather (God willing that he be alive) his view.

A free society is never 'free'.

John McGinnis


Circe - 12/19/2002

How about a counterdemonstration at the AHA's meeting of the RHR anti-war faction?

Show up, sit in the back, and just make your silent majority be felt.


Shadrak - 12/19/2002

Yes, you're right. You should act. We encourage you to be peace volunteers and act as international monitors, in the thick of it, to bear witness to the world Hussein's actions to suppress his people and spend money on chemical weapons plants and lavish palaces rather than feed his people.

Maybe then, once you've been shot at, you'll understand what the problems in this world really are.


jason - 12/19/2002

yes, lets give saddam hussein all the help we can. he needs it. i enjoy watching him gas his own people.


Johnathan Barr - 12/19/2002

Or Czechoslovakia in 68 -- hell yes it's a good thing!


Larry - 12/19/2002

Aid and comfort to the enemy -- how disgraceful!


Pat Cooper - 12/19/2002

I completely support the plan for a meeting at the AHA. I won't attend the meeting, but count on me to help with this effort. We must act.


Ken Rossi - 12/19/2002

You do more destruction in the name of "peace" than the U.S. Gov't could ever do in waging war in Iraq. Your naivete is appalling!


Greg King - 12/19/2002

Respectable historians should be embarrassed by a colleague describing goal of current US foreign policy as "empire." It is a cliche and it is inaccurate on its face. I expect others will think twice before they 'organize, whatever their views' with you, when you apparently believe any/all arguments in favor of pre-emptive disarmament of genocidal nut job are based on "empty jingoism." That is both inaccurate and childish.


Tim Tyson - 12/19/2002

Historical understanding is a necessity of citizenship. Our students will not always remember every snippet of data they learn in our classes, but I hope that our labors help them see for themselves how to act as citizens. Our example lectures better than we can. This is not to say that historians are always right; surely we historians know how limited the perspectives of historical actors can be. But though history is no crystal ball, it certainly helps us not to fall for empty jingoism. I applaud these efforts against the impending war on Iraq, I plan to join in them, and I encourage all my friends and colleagues to express their own views. If ever there was a time to speak, I think that hour has come. A global empire bought with the blood of the innocent is not my own vision for the United States, but it seems that many in the current U.S. government take a different view. In the end, the American people will not support such an effort, and it looks to me like a geopolitical disaster in the making.


Shadrach - 12/18/2002

What if it's all just a bluff, designed to show the Iraqi people that we won't stand by and let them be massacred if they decide to have a revolution? What if it is Hungary '56 all over again, but this time we're not just sitting back? Isn't that a good thing?

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