Tom Engelhardt: Iraq Has Always Been "South Korea" for the Bush Administration
[Tom Engelhardt, who runs the Nation Institute's Tomdispatch.com ("a regular antidote to the mainstream media"), is the co-founder of the American Empire Project and, most recently, the author of Mission Unaccomplished: Tomdispatch Interviews with American Iconoclasts and Dissenters (Nation Books), the first collection of Tomdispatch interviews.]
Finally, the great American disconnect may be ending. Only four years after the invasion of Iraq, the crucial facts-on-the-ground might finally be coming into sight in this country -- not the carnage or the mayhem; not the suicide car bombs or the chlorine truck bombs; not the massive flight of middle-class professionals, the assassination campaign against academics, or the collapse of the best health-care service in the region; not the spiking American and Iraqi casualties, the lack of electricity, the growth of Shia militias, the crumbling of the" coalition of the willing," or the uprooting of 15% or more of Iraq's population; not even the sharp increase in fundamentalism and extremism, the rise of al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia, the swelling of sectarian killings, or the inability of the Iraqi government to get oil out of the ground or an oil law, designed in Washington and meant to turn the clock back decades in the Middle East, passed inside Baghdad's fortified Green Zone -- no, none of that. What's finally coming into view is just what George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, the top officials of their administration, the civilian leadership at the Pentagon, and their neocon followers had in mind when they invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003.
But let me approach this issue another way. For the last week, news jockeys have been plunged into a debate about the"Korea model," which, according to the New York Times and other media outlets, the President is suddenly considering as the model for Iraq. ("Mr. Bush has told recent visitors to the White House that he was seeking a model similar to the American presence in South Korea.") You know, a limited number of major American bases tucked away out of urban areas; a limited number of American troops (say, 30,000-40,000), largely confined to those bases but ready to strike at any moment; a friendly government in Baghdad; and (as in South Korea where our troops have been for six decades) maybe another half century-plus of quiet garrisoning. In other words, this is the time equivalent of a geographic"over the horizon redeployment" of American troops. In this case,"over the horizon" would mean through 2057 and beyond.
This, we are now told, is a new stage in administration thinking. White House spokesman Tony Snow seconded the"Korea model" ("You have the United States there in what has been described as an over-the-horizon support role… -- as we have in South Korea, where for many years there have been American forces stationed there as a way of maintaining stability and assurance on the part of the South Korean people against a North Korean neighbor that is a menace…"); Defense Secretary Robert Gates threw his weight behind it as a way of reassuring Iraqis that the U.S."will not withdraw from Iraq as it did from Vietnam, ‘lock, stock and barrel,'" as did"surge plan" second-in-command in Baghdad, Lt. General Ray Odierno. ("Q Do you agree that we will likely have a South Korean-style force there for years to come? GEN. ODIERNO: Well, I think that's a strategic decision, and I think that's between us and -- the government of the United States and the government of Iraq. I think it's a great idea.")
David Sanger of the New York Times recently summed up this"new" thinking in the following fashion:
"Administration officials and top military leaders declined to talk on the record about their long-term plans in Iraq. But when speaking on a not-for-attribution basis, they describe a fairly detailed concept. It calls for maintaining three or four major bases in the country, all well outside of the crowded urban areas where casualties have soared. They would include the base at Al Asad in Anbar Province, Balad Air Base about 50 miles north of Baghdad, and Tallil Air Base in the south."
Critics -- left, right, and center -- promptly attacked the relevance of the South Korean analogy for all the obvious historical reasons. Time headlined its piece:"Why Iraq Isn't Korea"; Fred Kaplan of Slate waded in this way,"In other words, in no meaningful way are these two wars, or these two countries, remotely similar. In no way does one experience, or set of lessons, shed light on the other. In Iraq, no border divides friend from foe; no clear concept defines who is friend and foe. To say that Iraq might follow ‘a Korean model' -- if the word model means anything -- is absurd." At his Informed Comment website, Juan Cole wrote,"So what confuses me is the terms of the comparison. Who is playing the role of the Communists and of North Korea?" Inter Press's Jim Lobe quoted retired Lieutenant-General Donald Kerrick, a former US deputy national security adviser who served two tours of duty in South Korea this way:"[The analogy] is either a gross oversimplification to try to reassure people [the Bush administration] has a long-term plan, or it's just silly."
None of these critiques are anything but on target. Nonetheless, the"Korea model" should not be dismissed simply for gross historical inaccuracy. There's a far more important reason to attend to it, confirmed by four years of facts-on-the-ground in Iraq -- and by a little history that, it seems, no one, not even the New York Times which helped record it, remembers.
How Enduring Are Those"Enduring Camps"?
At the moment, the Korea model is being presented as breaking news, as the next step in the Bush administration's desperately evolving thinking as its"surge plan" surges into disaster. However, the most basic fact of our present"Korea" moment is that this is the oldest news of all. As the Bush administration launched its invasion in March 2003, it imagined itself entering a"South Korean" Iraq (though that analogy was never used). While Americans, including administration officials, would argue endlessly over whether we were in Tokyo or Berlin, 1945, Algeria of the 1950s, Vietnam of the 1960s and 70s, civil-war torn Beirut of the 1980s, or numerous other historically distant places, when it came to the facts on the ground, the administration's actual planning remained obdurately in"South Korea."
The problem was that, thanks largely to terrible media coverage, the American people knew little or nothing about those developing facts-on-the-ground and that disconnect has made all the difference for years.
Let's review a little basic history here:
You remember, of course, the flap over Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki's February 2003 claim before a Congressional committee that"several hundred thousand troops" would be needed to effectively occupy a"liberated" Iraq. For that statement, the Pentagon civilian leadership and allied neocons laughed him out of the room and then out of town. Sagely pointing out that there was no history of"ethnic strife" in Iraq, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz termed Shinseki's estimate"wildly off the mark." His boss, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, concurred."Far off the mark," he said and, when the general retired a few months later, pointedly did not attend the ceremony. After all, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were planning to take and occupy Iraq in a style that would be high-tech and, in manpower terms, lean and mean. Given an administration-wide belief that the Iraqis would greet American troops as liberators or, at least, make them at home in their country, they expected the occupation to proceed smoothly -- on a"Korea model" basis, in fact.
Here's what Washington Post reporter Tom Ricks wrote in Fiasco, his bestselling book about the occupation, on the administration's expectations that February:"[Paul] Wolfowitz told senior Army officers… he thought that within a few months of the invasion the U.S. troop level in Iraq would be thirty-four thousand, recalled [Johnny] Riggs, the Army general then at Army headquarters. Likewise, another three-star general, still on active duty, remembers being told to plan to have the U.S. occupation force reduced to thirty thousand troops by August 2003. An Army briefing a year later also noted that that number was the goal ‘by the end of the summer of 2003.'"
At present, approximately 37,000 American troops are garrisoned in South Korea. In other words, the original plan, in manpower terms, was for a Korea-style occupation of Iraq. But where were those troops to stay? The Pentagon had been pondering that, too -- and here's where the New York Times has forgotten its own history. On April 19, 2003, soon after American troops entered Baghdad, Times' reporters Thom Shanker and Eric Schmitt had a striking front-page piece headlined,"Pentagon Expects Long-Term Access to Four Key Bases in Iraq." It began:
"The United States is planning a long-term military relationship with the emerging government of Iraq, one that would grant the Pentagon access to military bases and project American influence into the heart of the unsettled region, senior Bush administration officials say. American military officials, in interviews this week, spoke of maintaining perhaps four bases in Iraq that could be used in the future: one at the international airport just outside Baghdad; another at Tallil, near Nasiriya in the south; the third at an isolated airstrip called H-1 in the western desert, along the old oil pipeline that runs to Jordan; and the last at the Bashur air field in the Kurdish north."
The Pentagon, that is, arrived in Baghdad with at least a four-base strategy for the long-term occupation of the country already on the drawing boards. These were to be mega-bases, essentially fortified American towns on which those 30,000-40,000 troops could hunker down for a South-Korean-style eternity. The Pentagon was officially not looking for"permanent basing," as it slyly claimed, but"permanent access." (And on this verbal dodge, an administration that has constantly redefined reality to fit its needs has ducked its obvious desire for, and plans for,"permanency" in Iraq. As Tony Snow put the matter this way only the other day,"U.S. bases in Iraq would not necessarily be permanent because they would be there at the invitation of the host government and ‘the person who has done the invitation has the right to withdraw the invitation.'")
When the reporting of Schmitt and Shanker came up in a Rumsfeld news conference, the story was essentially denied ("I have never, that I can recall, heard the subject of a permanent base in Iraq discussed in any meeting…") and then disappeared from the New York Times for four years (and most of the rest of the media for most of that time). It did not, however, disappear from Pentagon planning. Quite the contrary, the Pentagon began doling out the contracts and the various private builders set to work. By late 2003, Lt. Col. David Holt, the Army engineer"tasked with facilities development" in Iraq, was quoted in a prestigious engineering magazine speaking proudly of several billion dollars already being sunk into base construction ("the numbers are staggering"). Bases were built in profusion -- 106 of them, according to the Washington Post, by 2005 (including, of course, many tiny outposts).
For a while, to avoid the taint of that word"permanent," the major American bases in Iraq were called "enduring camps" by the Pentagon. Five or six of them are simply massive, including Camp Victory, our military headquarters adjacent to Baghdad International Airport on the outskirts of the capital, Balad Air Base, north of Baghdad (which has air traffic to rival Chicago's O'Hare), and al-Asad Air Base in the Western desert near the Syrian border. These are big enough to contain multiple bus routes, huge PXes, movie theaters, brand-name fast-food restaurants, and, in one case, even a miniature golf course. At our base at Tallil in the south, in 2006, a mess hall was being built to seat 6,000, and that just skims the surface of the Bush administration's bases.
In addition, as the insurgency gained traction and Baghdad fell into disarray as well as sectarian warfare, administration planners began the building of a massively fortified, $600 million, blast-resistant compound of 20-odd buildings in the heart of Baghdad's Green Zone, the largest"embassy" on the planet, so independent that it would have no need of Iraq for electricity, water, food, or much of anything else. Scheduled to"open" this September, it will be both a citadel and a home for thousands of diplomats, spies, guards, private security contractors, and the foreign workers necessary to meet" community" needs.
The Media Blind to the Bases
From 2003 to the present, the work building, maintaining, and continually upgrading these bases (and their equivalents in Afghanistan) has never ended. Though the huge base-building contracts were given out long ago, consider just a couple of modest contracts of recent vintage. In March 2006, Dataline, Inc, of Norfolk, Virginia was awarded a $5 million contract for"technical control facility upgrades and cable installation," mainly at"Camp Fallujah, Iraq (25 percent), Camp Al Asad, Iraq (25 percent), [and] Camp Taqaddum, Iraq (25 percent)." In December 2006, Watkinson L.L.C. of Houston was awarded a $13 million"firm-fixed-price contract for design and construction of a heavy aircraft parking apron and open cargo storage yard" for al-Asad Airbase,"to be completed by Sept. 17, 2007." In March 2007, Lockheed Martin Integrated Systems was awarded a $73 million contract to"provide recurring requirements such as operations and maintenance support for base local area network, commercial satellite communication, technical control facility, and circuit actions, telephone, land mobile radio and both inside and outside cable plant installations.... at 13 bases in Iraq, Afghanistan and six other nations which fall in the United States Central Command Area of Responsibility."
And major base building may not be at an end. Keep your eye on Iraqi Kurdistan. According to Juan Cole, the Kurdish press continues to report rumors that American base-building activities are now switching there. Little is known about this, except that some in Washington consider Iraqi Kurdistan an obvious place to"redeploy" American troops in any future partial withdrawal or draw-down scenarios.
These, then, were the Bush administration's facts-on-the-Iraqi-ground. Whatever anyone was saying at any moment about ending the American presence in Iraq someday or turning"sovereignty" over to the Iraqis, for American reporters in Baghdad, as well as the media at home, the"enduring" nature of what was being built should have been unmistakable -- and it should have counted for something. After all, those American bases, like the vast embassy inside the Green Zone (sardonically dubbed by Baghdadis,"George W's Palace"), were monstrous in size, state-of-the-art when it came to communications and facilities, and meant to support large-scale American communities -- whether soldiers, diplomats, spies, contractors, or mercenaries -- long term. They were imperial in nature, the U.S. military and diplomatic equivalents of the pyramids. And no one, on seeing them, should have thought anything but"permanent."
It didn't matter that those bases were never officially labeled"permanent." After all, as the Korea model (now almost six decades old) indicates, such bases, rather than colonies, have long been the American way of empire -- and, with rare exceptions, they have arrived and not left. They remain immobile gunboats primed for a kind of eternal armed"diplomacy." As they cluster tellingly in key regions of the planet, they make up what the Pentagon likes to call our"footprint."
As Chalmers Johnson has pointed out in his book The Sorrows of Empire, the United States has, mainly since World War II, set up at least 737 such bases, mega and micro -- and probably closer to 1,000 -- worldwide. Everywhere, just as Tony Snow has said, the Americans would officially be"invited" in by the local government and would negotiate a "status of forces agreement," the modern equivalent of the colonial era's grant of extraterritoriality, so that the American troops would be minimally subject to foreign courts or control. There are still at least 12 such bases in Korea, 37 on the Japanese island of Okinawa alone, and so on, around the globe.
Since the Gulf War in 1990, such base-creation has been on the rise. The Bush, Clinton, and younger Bush administrations have laid down a string of bases from the old Eastern European satellites of the Soviet Union (Romania, Bulgaria) and the former Yugoslavia through the Greater Middle East (Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates), to the Horn of Africa (Djibouti), into the Indian Ocean (the"British" island of Diego Garcia), and right through Central Asia (Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Pakistan, where we"share" Pakistani bases).
Bases have followed our little wars of recent decades. They were dropped into Saudi Arabia and the small Gulf emirates around the time of our first Gulf War in 1991; into the former Yugoslavia after the Kosovo air war of 1999; into Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the former Central Asian SSRs after the Afghan war of 2001; and into Iraq, of course, after the invasion of 2003 where they were to replace the Saudi bases being mothballed as a response to Osama bin Laden's claims that Americans were defiling the holiest spots of Islam.
In effect, when it came to bases in the post-9/11 years, the emphasis was, on the one hand, encircling Russia from its former Eastern European satellites to its former Central Asian SSRs and, on the other hand, securing a series of bases across the oil heartlands of the planet, a swath of territory known to the administration back in 2002-2003 as "the arc of instability." Iraq was, obviously, but part -- though a crucial part -- of such imperial dreaming about how to dominate the planet. And yet the military ziggurats that made those dreams manifest, and all the billions of taxpayer dollars and the obvious urge for"permanence" that went with them, were largely left out of mainstream reporting on, debate about, or discussion of the occupation of Iraq.
Iraq as Korea, 2003-2007
The administration remained remarkably tightlipped about all this building activity and what it might mean -- beyond periodic denials that any such efforts were"permanent"; and, with rare exceptions, even when journalists reported from Camp Victory or other major bases, they never managed to put them on the reportorial landscape. Those bases -- and the colossus of an"embassy" that went with them -- just weren't considered all that important.
Perhaps for reporters and editors, used to an inside-the-Beltway universe in which the United States simply could not act in an imperial manner, the bases were givens -- like the American way of life. Evidently, for most reporters, there was, in a sense, nothing to notice. As a consequence, there has been endless discussion about Bush administration"incompetence" (of which there has been plenty), but not the quite competent planning that left such structures impressively on the Iraqi landscape. If the subject wasn't exactly blacked-out in the United States, it did, at least, undergo a kind of whiteout.
So much about Iraq was up for discussion, but the preponderant evidence on the ground, so utterly solid, carried no weight. It was evidence of nothing. For American reporters, as for American Secretaries of Defense, the full-scale garrisoning of Planet Earth is simply not a news story. As a result, most Americans have had next to no idea that we were creating multibillion dollar edifices on Iraqi soil meant for a near eternity.
Remarkably enough, when asked late last year by pollsters from the Program on International Policy Attitudes whether we should have the"permanent" bases in Iraq, a whopping 68% of Americans said no. But when the issue of bases and permanency arises at all in our press, it's usually in the context of Iraqi"suspicions" on the subject. (Oh, those paranoid foreigners!) Typically, the Los Angeles Times cited Michael O'Hanlon, an oft-quoted analyst at the Brookings Institution, saying the following of the President's endorsement of the Korea model:"In trying to convey resolve, [Bush] conveys the presumption that we're going to be there for a long time.... It's unhelpful to handling the politics of our presence in Iraq." No, Michael, the bases are our politics in Iraq.
Generally, the Democrats and their major presidential candidates line up with O'Hanlon. And yet no significant Democratic proposal for"withdrawal" from Iraq is really a full-scale withdrawal proposal. They are all proposals to withdraw American combat brigades (perhaps 50,000-60,000 troops) from the country, while withdrawing most other Americans into those giant bases that are too awkward to mention.
Suddenly, however, discussion of the"Korea model" has entered the news and so put those bases -- and the idea of a permanent military presence in Iraq -- in the American viewfinder for what may be the first time. You only have to look at Iraq today to know that, like so much else our imperial dreamers have conjured up, this fantasy too -- of a calming Iraq developing over the decades into a friendly democracy, while American troops sit tight in their giant base-towns -- is doomed to one kind of failure or another, while the oil lands of the planet threaten to implode.
The Korea model is just one of the administration's many grotesque, self-interested misreadings of history, but it isn't new. It isn't a fantasy the President and his top officials have just stumbled upon in post-surge desperation. It's the fantasy they rumbled into Baghdad aboard back in 2003. It's the imperial fantasy that has never left their minds from that first shock-and-awe moment until now.
Give them credit for consistency. On this"model," whatever it may be called, the Bush administration bet the store and, on it, they have never wavered. Because of some of the worst reporting on an important topic in recent memory, most Americans have lived out these last years in remarkable ignorance of what was actually being built in Iraq. Now, perhaps, that great American disconnect is beginning to end, which may be more bad news for the Bush administration.
This article first appeared on www.tomdispatch.com, a weblog of the Nation Institute, which offers a steady flow of alternate sources, news and opinion from Tom Engelhardt, a long time editor in publishing, the author of The End of Victory Culture, and a fellow of the Nation Institute.
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John Charles Crocker - 6/19/2007
India was "open" before even the first Bush. Outsourcing all manner of telephone support services did speed up under Bush Jr. but that was again a trend that began before his time.
When did Bush end the dispute over Kashmir?
Khan is still living comfortably as a hero in Pakistan. Neither he nor Pakistan has had any consequences for their part in nuclear proliferation.
The majority of the companies involved in the oil for food scandal were American (and Bush contributors) and the majority of the money made went to them.
Like it or not the US is part of the world community and the legitimate body to work through on that stage is the UN. If we go it alone and ignore international law we have no legal or ethical basis to berate others (Iran etc.) for doing the same.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/19/2007
In the list of Bush accomplishments I forgot to mention his grand opening to India, which is our new buffer and model for China, plus the ending of its dispute over Kashmir. In the long run this could be much more important than crushing the Islamo maniacs... India's retreat from decades of stagnation under socialism has had highly salubrious results, not just for itself, but for the entire world. They are going to go much farther, too. (The cows are still sacred). By the way, we didn't see Bill Clinton shutting down Dr. Khan, or outing the UN thugs. He was too busy selling secrets to China and traipsing to Davos--where he could check how well he was passing the world test.
John Charles Crocker - 6/18/2007
I guess you are a proud 29%er.
There is so much blatently incorrect about what you have said that I hardly know where to begin.
There is a difference between trying to work through the UN and taking orders for deployment of troops that you apparently cannot see.
Your apparent reference to the oil for food scandal neglects to account for the fact that most of the companies profiting were American and our government was well aware of this.
Khan went into business under a GOP foreign policy and would have been caught regardless of the administration in power. He has been pardoned and is still considered a hero in Pakistan where he is living comfortably.
Iraq is a quagmire that has only strengthened the position of Iran and Islamist militants and terrorists in the region. Meanwhile the protection of loose nukes continues to go underfunded and US "diplomacy" with Iran and N. Korea is entirely ineffective. Our recent deal with N. Korea puts us back to where we were under Clinton only with a nuclear N. Korea. Iran continues with its plans knowing that the US is in no position to respond effectively militarily.
We are nowhere near ending our "bribes" to Egypt etc., assuming we still want their continued "cooperation."
The French government has changed hands but policy re: the US will not likely change much and the Germans have not made significant changes that should be making someone with your worldview happy. Both of these countries are pragmatic and realize they need to preserve their relationship with the US no matter how odious they find its leadership. The real change in US relations with France and Germany is the US ratcheting down the negative rhetoric.
The Saudis are fighting Al Qaida for themselves, not for us.
"Great effort is going forward to integrate "sleeper" Muslim communities in the West."
Not sure what you mean by this.
The polling is all over the place and of course what the polling says now means next to nothing. Rudy will not be able to get through the primaries between the positions he took to get elected in NYC,his serial adultery, his Mob ties through Kerik, and his 9/11 incompetence at everything other than personal aggrandizement. Mitt has similar problems with liberal positions he took to get elected in Mass. and is now running away from to please the fundies who will not likely forgive his Mormonism once they learn a little about it. Fred has a good chance as he is a typical Hollywood Republican, all appearance and no substance and to top it off an intellectual curiosity rivalling Bush's.
It is the Repubs not the Dems who are crumbling right now.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/18/2007
GOP foreign policy has been anything but a disaster! We no longer take orders for deployment of U.S. troops from the Europeans, an enormous departure from past practice, which naturally made many capitals unhappy with us. We have exposed the kleptocracy on Turtle Bay for what it is, and we are now working on the World Bank, making the "third world" unhappy with us. We put Dr. Khan out of business and flipped Quaddafi. We started the emancipation of the Middle East in a way which can never be rolled back, and are edging toward the elimination of annual bribes to Israel and Egypt. We have stood up against Iran and North Korea, and eventually they must settle with us. We have clarified the situation with respect to Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank. Trade barriers have been reduced steadily, and prosperity has broken out all over the world. We are all capitalists now, and about time. Lately the French and German governments have conformed to reality. Newly independent states of Eastern Europe are thriving, as the Reagan legacy unfolds. Everyone is fighting Islamoterrorists, and even the Saudis are killing al-Quaeda for us. Great effort is going forward to integrate "sleeper" Muslim communities in the West. These have been signal achievements. Hopefully the days of Zbig, Warren Christopher and Madelaine Albright are all behind us. The proper object of foreign policy is not to be loved by diplomats, newsmen, and other assorted socialists, but to further the interests of the United States. The current administration has been much more successful in foreign policy than in domestic matters... I notice Hillary is clearly losing in polls against Rudy, Mitt, and Fred, and so hope her juggernaut for the nomination continues unchecked. It's hard to tell, but quite possible liberalism has never stopped heading for extinction.
John Charles Crocker - 6/18/2007
I see that you don't have an answer to the bulk of my points.
Any of the Democrats would redeploy to some extent as outlined in one of the several plans that have been put forward. Hillary is indeed the most hawkish of the Democrats currently running and so redeployment under her leadership would likely be slower.
The GOP foreign policy has been a disaster and even the GOP is realizing this and are starting to bolt like rats from a sinking ship. As far as the GOP candidates go, not one of them retains any foreign policy credibility.
As for your criticism of Hillary, it seems to come straight from right wing talk radio. She is certainly pragmatic (but what successful politician is not?), humorless is a matter of opinion, but her charity work would attest to her not being "devoid of altruism."
Given GWB's record and approval rating I think that the antithesis of Bush would be a welcome change. Intellectually curious, valuing competence over personal loyalty, lack of partisanship in policy making and appointments, eloquent, diplomatic, etc.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/18/2007
It depends who the next Democratic president might be. I think we would actually withdraw under Obama, Gore, Edwards, Dean or Dodd, much as Kerry would have done, and lose other positions throughout the world, too. That group can be expected to get every foreign decision exactly wrong. Under Hillary Clinton it's a guess. I'm sure she has no idea herself what she would do. However, we can be pretty confident she would strive to be re-elected above all, and if the Screaming-Mimis on her left desert her in November--but she wins anyway--she would conclude she does not need them four years later and would adopt GOP foreign policies. (I think this might happen, because we have always been a lucky country). (The downside is it might get her reelected). She is pragmatic, calculating, humorless, and devoid of altruism. We can count on Hillary to make no move from any feeling of pro bono publico or pro bono patria. In that respect she is the antithesis of George W. Bush, and this is so obvious it's a good reason to hope she will be defeated in '08.
John Charles Crocker - 6/16/2007
"You seem to agree with John Edwards that the terrorists will not or can not attack us again 'any time soon."
Again you misrepresent what was actually said. Iraq did not have and is in no position to manufacture WMDs. Bloviate all you wish about the threat, Iraq is not at all likely to be the source of any WMD threat in anything approaching the near term. Our current fiasco in Iraq has made dealing with actual WMD threats (loose nukes etc.) far more difficult.
"Yes, in the unlikely event a Democrat is elected next time, the redeployments will (I hope) look very much as if the Republicans had won."
Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean that you think that the Democrats will not actually withdraw and continue with ineffective half measures? Or do you mean that you think that Republicans have realized that trying to referee a civil war is a losing proposition, as the Dems and quite a few retired military have been saying for quite some time?
Murtha's plan and most of the other redeployment plans call for American presence in the region (Saudi, Kuwait, Kurdistan, and psssibly Southern Iraq). You either know this and are setting up a straw man or you are woefully misinformed.
As far as understanding the sectarian breakdown of the various warring factions, these questions were asked during the previous congress and most of those asked (Repub and Dem) failed miserably. This is not a distinguishing character of either party, though if memory serves the Repub leadership actually did worse than the Dem leadership on this test.
You accuse me of thinking the Constitution is obsolete and wanting to act like a dictator when it is you who approves of ending habeus corpus, you who approves of torture, you who approves of warrantless wiretaps and searches, you who thinks that freedom of speech (why did you put it in quotes?) should possibly be abolished in wartime. Your gall is truly remarkable.
You have conceded that this interpretation of war is open-ended. Yet you support giving the president war powers and suspending several key rights of citizens (and even more rights of legal residents) during this open-ended war. Then you accuse those who disagree with you of being un-American, yet it is the measures that you call for that are truly un-American.
Reporting the news, however much you might dislike that news, is not working for the enemy.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/15/2007
It looks as if your area B above is where we should concentrate to elect the next Republican. You seem to agree with John Edwards that the terrorists will not or can not attack us again "any time soon." (Maybe because they can't pass the world test?) Yes, in the unlikely event a Democrat is elected next time, the redeployments will (I hope) look very much as if the Republicans had won. It will be like JFK's phoney "missile gap" all over again. Except that Murtha's redeployment to Okinawa won't cut it. You ought to be ashamed of House Intelligence chairman Reyes, also, who doesn't know Shia from Shinola... Curious how the party favored on every campus by soi-disant intellectuals is so often led in Congress by cretins. This no doubt reinforces your feeling that the Constitution is obsolete, and makes you want to act like Pol Pot. I feel the same way when I hear most of our media (your point A) working for the enemy. Should there be any "freedom of speech" in wartime? Only perhaps because this is a long, open-ended war.
John Charles Crocker - 6/13/2007
A) War protesters have helped to bring the nation's attention to a disastrous policy and the subsequent debate has led to some small corrections of that policy. You may not like free speech, but it is a large part of what makes our nation great.
B) Once again Saddam was not in possession of WMD to pass to terrorists or anyone else nor was he likely to be anytime soon. To continue to claim this now is ridiculous. Iraq as it is now and is likely to be anytime soon is not a place that is likely to be able to produce WMD. Whatever reason we might have to be involved in Iraq, WMD is not one of them.
C) No one is suggesting "That we get out totally next week." All of those you named are for redeploying over a period of months.
"This means we're all for staying and winning, right?" What exactly do you mean by winning?
Part of taking responsibility is admitting when you are wrong and correcting your mistakes. The president and the DoD have yet to take responsibility for their mistakes.
I'm sure that you supported Clinton all through our involvement in Kosovo and Somalia. I wait to see you supporting a Democratic president in two years.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/13/2007
A) War protesters haven't helped.
B) The threat of hand-carried WMD coming over our open borders is the threat that 9-11 can happen again and more Americans will be murdered in their homeland by Islamo-terrorists. Yes, they may come from Chechnea or Pakistan as well as Iraq, but any '08 candidates who ignore or downplay the likelihood are going to be deserted by voters of both parties. John Edwards was very foolish recently to suggest the Islamo-terrorist threat at home is minor.
C) I'm relieved to learn "nobody seriously involved in the debate" wants to cut and run. This means we're all for staying and winning, right? Murtha, Pelosi, Feingold, Boxer, Kennedy, Dodd, Harkin, Kerry, the networks, the NYTimes, academia, and so forth. Boy, that sure is good news!
As for taking responsibility in a world in which we are under attack, regardless of how we got there, the President of the United States and the DOD cannot escape taking the responsibility. It behooves us to support them now, during, and after the next election.
John Charles Crocker - 6/12/2007
A) There was no significant protest during the first two years of the occupation of Iraq and any protests were relatively small and not given much coverage by the media. The failure of Iraq policy is due to spectacularly poor planning and lack of foresight not war protesters.
B) The idea that Saddam was in a position or was soon likely to be in a position to be "sending hand-carried WMD over the Rio Grande" is frankly "so foolish it is not worth discussing." Pakistan, North Korea, or loose nukes from the ex-Soviet Union are much more likely sources for any WMD threat to the US and this adventure has increased, not decreased, those threats.
C) "That we got out totally next week..." is a straw man and is not the suggestion of anyone seriously involved in the debate as you well know.
The point of the essay is that this is not some new position forced on the administration by unfolding events. Their plan has always been an enduring American presence in Iraq contrary to their earlier talking points.
As for the "The problem is what to do now, not what we should have done previously..." line of argument, it is the last refuge of those who create problems for which they do not want to take responsibility. The bulk of the Republicans and a couple of the Democrats running supported most of the disastrous policy decisions that have left us in the situation we are in. This speaks to their foreign policy judgment and should be an albatross around their necks in the upcoming election.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/11/2007
The problem is what to do now, not what we should have done previously, and you make no positive suggestions. What better exit strategy is there than leaving a few strong U.S. bases in Iraq? This might prevent Israel and Iran from nuking each other, it might defuse sunni-shia genocide, it might warn Turkey not to deploy, and it might keep crude flowing into world markets and lower its price. Soon you will discover Bush and Rumsfeld are not running again. Instead, you will be faced with a new Republican who has a positive agenda for the Middle East. He will look good to the voters, too, against Democrats who have advocated cut and run, and especially against those who consider fears about future attacks on the U.S. to be "moronic."
Mike Schoenberg - 6/11/2007
The problems are too many. From Rumsfelds early judgement that we wouldn't need more than 130,000 troops to the idea that victory was accomplished in '03 or '04 but this war keeps on dragging on. With a 60% unemployment rate there will be no end to suicide bombers.
As for your idea of Saddam sending WMD across the Rio Grande- now that statement is moronic. He never had them when we invaded- maybe you have forgotten that Hans Blix and the U.N. team were in Iraq but Bush went ahead and did his version of "The Charge of the Light Brigade."
So now we are stuck there after spending $500 billion to two trillion if one counts the soldiers mained and in need of life time help.
Meanwhile Katrina's affects are still with us as well as any number of other domestic troubles.
Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 6/11/2007
Would you rather:
A) That the creation of an Iraqi republic had gone more smoothly, and that we could have gotten out totally leaving the country and the Middle East in good hands? If so, you should not have supported turning the home front against the war, which gave heart and determination to the terrorists.
B) That we had never invaded Iraq, and Saddam was now sending hand-carried WMD over the Rio Grande? This option is so foolish it is not worth discussing.
C) That we got out totally next week, leaving the Shia and Sunni to their genocide, while perhaps the Turks to invade and grab their oil? What would that do to our long-term relations with Iraq's people (and others we have promised protection to elsewhere in the world)?
Personally, I think the 37,000 permanent garrison sounds like a good plan, especially with some modern aircraft equipped with modern nukes to intercept the Iranians when they begin to deploy. Further, I would remove all 37,000 troops from the ungrateful nation of South Korea, and use those same people in Iraq.
The problem with your essay is you don't say what it is you think is wrong with the alleged plan you describe. You snarl about everybody missing "the grand design," but so what? I don't suppose there would be much opposition to it from Republicans or Democrats in Congress, or from the next two presidential candidates. The likelihood of some permanent and powerful U.S. military bases in the Middle East, in retrospect, actually seems to have been inevitable for years. If invited to do this by the Iraqis, we will be coming as close as possible to the diplomatic result we wanted.
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