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Cliopatria's History Blogroll Part I/Part II.
I'm really happy to be joining Cliopatria, most of whose members are HNN contributors I've come to deeply respect over the last year or so. I'm deep in the middle of grading this weekend, but I'll be coming out from under shortly. Until then, I'll just open with something that my students know but my colleagues don't....

I'm a life-long science fiction and fantasy fan, with a preference for short stories, and for novels that take exeptionally long historical perspectives. This is an exciting time for an F/SF fan, because the technology now exists to depict on the screen anything that can be pictured in the mind. The reason nobody's made a really good version of Tolkien's Lord of the Rings until now (though I still have a fondness for the old animated version, which is a little more whimsical but no less rich) is that the technological hurdles were too great. The final frontier in movie/TV, though, is not smell-o-rama (though I wouldn't be surprised to see USB-ready aroma peripherals in a few years) but really good emotional and historical and philosophical background/context. Perhaps the DVD, with it's hypertext-like flexibility and supplements, is the format in which the novel will truly be realized on screen.

One of the reasons I still enjoy F/SF is its experimental nature. Not so much as a literary form (I'm pretty conventional when it comes to the writing I like) but as an emotional and historical test-bench."What if" is a far more fundamental question in history than we like to admit (though I'm ironically leery of large-scale alternative history) and futurism is a powerful tool for thinking through the implications of ideas and processes, alternative visions, and the human potential under different circumstances. Plus, why should our imaginations always be limited by convention and reality?

OK, just to give people something to complain about, here's my off-hand, very incomplete list of favorite authors and works: Frank Herbert (Dune series of course, though White Plague is frighteningly, increasingly plausible); Isaac Asimov; some Robert Heinlein (especially his future history series); Harlan Ellison (Deathbird Stories is my candidate for single-author short-story collection of the century); Olaf Stapledon (deep and rich stuff); Ursula LeGuin (Left Hand of Darkness is a mind-bending experience); Terry Pratchett and Douglas Adams for humor (also Asimov); Ray Bradbury (indescribably powerful ideas and writing);  Neil Gaiman (probably the finest fantasist at work today, and one of the best word-on-paper writers since Bradbury); Henry Kuttner (energetic writing and ideas that will trouble you for days, if not years) and C.L. Moore, his wife and collaborator and a fine writer in her own right (I'm particularly fond of her Jirel of Joiry stories, which look like pulp fantasy but are much deeper meditations on humanity). I'm a current subscriber to Fantasy and Science Fiction. I'm sure I've left stuff off the list.

OK, back to the grading. Next time, some history, or politics, I promise! Happy Hanukah, everyone!


Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 02:43

According to the NY Times, computer scientists are developing software that can produce credible paraphrases of English-language texts. Yippee. It's hard enough assigning papers to students today, with the ease of computer-aided plagiarism. It's pretty easy to track down most copying from the internet (do they really think I don't know how to use Google?) though subscription encyclopedia are becoming more popular and are a little harder to get a look at. But paraphrased material can be very hard to track down if it isn't cited.

Some teachers have abandoned research papers entirely in favor of in-class writing, but I find it hard to see how to teach writing about history without students having the time and space to read and consider their sources, develop arguments, and consider alternatives. I don't want to become a writing teacher, spending class after class on the argumentative essay and citation standards; that's what we have writing courses for. But if (when) this tool becomes widely available, I'm going to have to seriously rethink the papers I do assign. I already assign most of my papers based on specific course texts, with questions quirky enough to be hard to find the answers elsewhere (though I have to start changing them, because I suspect there are starting to be copies of answers to my questions floating around). It's tough to be very original, particularly in classes like World Civ surveys where the students have very weak backgrounds in the subject matter, in writing and in analysis. I do what I can, but students don't always appreciate my assigning questions without clearly predetermined answers...

This raises other questions, as well, about the nature of authorship, about the nature of education,  about the automation of supposedly intellectual tasks, and about honor and ethics in modern society. But at the moment I'm really much more concerned with my students' intellectual and ethical development than with first principles and intellectual property.


Saturday, December 27, 2003 - 18:37

Reading Kenneth Pollack's survey of the Middle East I was reminded, a little, of the Meiji Restoration in Japan in 1868. Pollack says the Middle East suffers from a surplus of educated but useless males, disrespect for the rule of law, failed pseudo-socialist economies, kleptocratic leadership, terrorism, and the only apparently viable alternative is Islamicism and Islamic fundamentalism. In mid-19th century Japan there was an archaically-educated and underemployed hereditary elite, divided into roughly 250 highly independent clans and living on shrinking government stipends, a relatively weak legal tradition (again, about 250 independent systems), a tottering pseudo-monarchical Shogunate, and widespread disaffection with Japan's position in the world. A relatively small group of mid-rank radicals -- classically educated, with strong clan loyalties, pro-Imperial, anti-foreign -- engineered a coalition of regional powers and a small corps of troops using modern weapons and methods that forced the Shogunate to initiate reforms (as well as crackdowns because of the steady stream of assassinations and terror and infighting coming from the pro-Imperial factions) and eventually forced the Shogunate into total collapse. I wouldn't want to push the comparison too far: Japan had a dynamic mercantile economy (though it got a little creaky when foreign goods started to come in and Japanese silk started to go out) and strong middle class. Japan had only a small fundamentalist problem (and most of them were working on the side of the reformers, at least initially).

But the whole process, from the initial contact with Commodore Perry to the Meiji Restoration (named after the reign-name of the pro-Imperialists Emperor who conveniently took the throne that same year) took only fifteen years. Then, having toppled the Shogunate, the pro-Imperial samurai leaders of Japan proceeded to undertake a thorough and radical revision of Japanese society, economics, politics, law and culture. Within twenty years, Japan was playing an active role in regional politics; in forty, Japan was the leading nation in Asia. (And in eighty, Japanese Imperialism had led to the US atom bombing and occupying Japan and again reforming Japanese politics and society, so the story isn't entirely positive, but there's time for that later.)

So it wouldn't be entirely surprising to see a radical, but practical, Arab nationalism take hold and lead the Middle East through extensive and positive changes. If it follows the Japanese model: the movement will be led by middle and low ranking bureaucrats, competent but frustrated at the failure of opportunity; the ideology of the movement will be divisive, starkly nationalistic and a little frightening, but ultimately more focused on internal reform rather than lashing out. The initial moves of the movement, after seizing power, will be to break down traditional barriers (clan, state) to"national" identity and unity, as well as to jettison counterproductive traditions and entitlements (for example, the Meiji state legislated the samurai class out of existence). Ironically, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad's speech to the Organization of the Islamic Conference seems to actually fit the bill pretty well.

So, in a round-about way, I'm starting to think that Pollack is right when he argues that success in creating an independent liberal democracy in Iraq is vital to our national interest (I already thought it was a good thing, by the way, but for different reasons, mostly having to do with the joys of living in a liberal democracy.). Given how powerful and threatening Japan became after its Restoration revolution, what would the world look like half a century after an Arabian Restoration?


Wednesday, December 31, 2003 - 04:20

It's happened again. A House Democrat, though not a particularly mainstream one, changed his party affiliation. This time it's in Texas. Sure it happens the other way sometimes, but it's so rare it's like one of those"exception that confirms the rule" cliches. Even Jim Jeffords only went halfway when he went independent. And why is it always the Democrats who lose in these transactions? (and it is a transaction: the Texan in question freely admitted that the pork was better on the other side of the aisle. I think we're supposed to credit him with devotion to his district and constituents.) There's an old blues spiritual that goes something like"them that hops from church to church, you know their conversions don't amount to much" but usually the hoppers are so" conservative" that they vote with Republicans already. Maybe this"big tent party" stuff is overrated: I'd like to believe that party affiliations are something more than organizational and financial issues. Frankly, I'd like to see the parties close ranks a little bit, start kicking out people who don't have a strong core of ideas in common with the party platforms. That would speed the creation of meaningful third parties... so they probably won't do it.

To his credit, I suppose, this time the guy switched parties in advance of the election. The most egregious one I can remember was Ben Nighthorse Cambpell, from Colorado, who switched party affiliations immediately after the election. If I were in a district where that happened, I'd be very, very unhappy. That's the most brazen form of fraud possible: getting elected to public office under false pretenses. It renews my belief that there needs to be some kind of anti-fraud protection for the public, some mechanism that would allow the voters to remove an elected official who campaigns one way and then acts another. OK, in California there's the recall, but most of us don't have access to that kind of recourse. So what can we do when someone gets elected as a moderate but makes no compromises or concessions to anyone but his hard-core supporters? What can we do when someone campaigns as an independent thinker then votes the party line 98% of the time? I know there's another election coming along, but the point is that the election that should have produced one result instead produced another, and that's just not fair to those of us who are credulous enough to read the papers, think things through and vote.


Saturday, January 3, 2004 - 06:14

I am a proud supporter of the National Museum of Women in the Arts, a charter member, actually, going back to my undergraduate days. I don't get much out of my membership except pride, since they are based in Washington, D.C., and I'm about as far away from there as you can get without actually leaving US territory entirely. And I'm really very mercenary about causes that I support: I don't care where the money comes from, as long as it doesn't come with strings attached.

But I was reading the latest issue of the membership magazine, Women in the Arts, a little 30-page quarterly that reminds me why I send my pittance, and sometimes teaches me something interesting. The number of active and respected female artists in the Rennaissance through modern times is really quite remarkable: a name or two per era for survey teaching (OK, a few more for the great moments like the Renaissance, or the early 20th century modernists, but how much do we really know about these guys?) and, if you're interested in art at all, a few favorites in your personal field. But art was popular culture, as well as high culture, and there were a lot more than"the masters" working at any given time, and some of those people, men and women, were really, really good. It's an area I'd like to spend a little more time on, when I have the time, particularly the social history of art and social history depicted by art.

But that's not what got my attention this time. I was reading through the stuff at the end when the list of big donors for the 3rd quarter of 2003 caught my eye. A lot of the usual suspects were there: big corporations like Ford, Hecht's, MBNA, Coca-Cola. There are also a lot of people I've never heard of, personal trusts and estates. But a few other names jumped out at me. Near the top, in the $10K-$25K zone, was the Second Lady herself, Lynne V. Cheney, formerly head of the National Endowment for the Humanities. Great! They've got money and NMWA needs it. Then things started to get strange.

In the next category down ($5K-$10K) was the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a single-minded cadre of pro-Israeli lobbyists whom I never would have suspected of having an interest in art, much less women artists of anything other than an Israeli persuasion. In the $1K-$2.5K range were the National Association of Bankruptcy Trustees and the Dermatology Foundation, and I'm sure there's interesting stories behind both of those, but I can't imagine what they are. (Actually, it's more likely these DC based groups just want to be able to work the parties, ply their own donors with exhibit tickets; those benefits come with big corporate contributions. But you got to admit that it looks odd.)

But the reason I'm writing this tonight, instead of working on my syllabi or sleeping, is that the United States Department of Justice also gave between five and ten thousand dollars to my favorite museum. I'm pretty sure that we have other arms of government which are supposed to be supporting the arts, and I'm pretty sure that DoJ is pretty busy with other things that have nothing to do with art (they don't even have responsibility for our color-coded alert system, though that was probably more Crayola than O'Keefe; most news outlets I pay attention to have started using the text versions --"high,""elevated," etc. -- instead of the colors, which makes a great deal of sense). Then I remembered. Back in 2002, there was a bit of a ruckus over the DoJ spending a few grand to cover up the semi-nude statues of The Spirit of Justice in the Great Hall where press conferences happen. In their defense, DoJ argued that news photographers were deliberately framing shots with the breast prominently featured, and that was clearly detracting from the dignity of the proceedings. I'm not taking sides here (both sides have a silly factor that precludes getting involved without looking stupid.) but I can't help but wonder if the NMWA donation from Justice is part of a fence-mending between the Department and the art and feminist communities? And is it working?


Wednesday, January 7, 2004 - 05:49

When Joe Lieberman was selected as the first Jewish Democratic nominee for Vice President in 2000, at the High Holy Days there was a joke running through the rabbis' sermons (I heard it from two different rabbis)."That rustling sound you heard after Lieberman was selected," the joke went,"was thousands of Rosh Hashanah sermons being torn up...." What you hear tonight is the quiet hum of thousands of bloggers keyboards clicking as the word moves across cyberspace: New Jersey has become the latest state to create a same-sex domestic partnership.

There are a few other sounds you might hear in the distance: joyous noisemaking in gay and lesbian hangouts; quiet, knowing smiles in Republican Party operatives' offices; real estate website servers groaning as New York gay couples consider their options; rustling of Sunday sermons being thrown out and rewritten in churches all over the country; giggles as family law specialists pore over the new legislation, looking for all the new competing claims (but there's no right to property after breakup, so divorce lawyers are quietly nursing a little extra scotch); weeping and wailing in state benefits offices, as they are now required to offer"spousal" benefits to state employees (but private corporations are exempt).

And there was the whirring of constitutional lawyers on the right sharpening their pencils, because they are going to challenge the law on the grounds that it gives a new privilege, this limited partnership, to homosexuals but not to heterosexuals (I'm not making this up, it's near the bottom) under age 62.

Yes, heterosexual couples age 62 and over can also form these limited unions. This is a very interesting thing, particularly with the baby boom/sexual revolution generation approaching 60. The limited nature of the partnership might make it possible for a new relationship to be functionally recognized at a late age without the descendants feeling their inheritances threatened; could cut down on the competency hearing caseload.

One in ten states, representing about one-sixth of the US population, now recognize some form of gay marriage. The world is changing (the world is always changing), and I think it's for the better.


Friday, January 9, 2004 - 06:06

Politics has been described as"the art of the possible." I'm not sure who said it first: I first heard it in Evita, the musical, in college. But that phrase has been rattling around my head since President Bush's announced proposal for a new amnesty program for illegal immigrant workers. The program would convert the illegal workers into legal guest workers, but attempts to mitigate the free-for-all of illegal immigration by tying the migrants to specific jobs, requiring that US citizens (what about other legal residents?) be offered the jobs first, and applying minimum wage protections. The downside is that the work visas would only be good for three years, renewable once, so this is a definite step down from the permanent resident --"green" card -- status.

There have been objections from both pro- and anti- factions. Pro-immigrant folks, most of whom (correctly) see the proposal as an election ploy to win favor with Hispanic and Asian voters (could these be the hot swing group of the year?), want the amnesty to be more complete, allowing long-term illegal workers to be eligible for permanent residence and eventually citizenship. Anti-immigrant folks are afraid that the amnesty will do just that: legitimize millions of illegal workers, moving them closer to permanent status and creating an economic void at the bottom that will be filled with millions more illegal immigrant workers. This is one of those issues where the"usually associated with" rubrics break down: I think both parties have both pro- and anti-immigrant wings, at both the leadership and grass roots levels.

This certainly doesn't solve the illegal immigration issue: even if the program works as intended, protecting current migrant workers while creating mechanisms by which most of them eventually leave, there is still going to be illegal immigration and those workers will continue to take jobs in industries that aren't profitable enough to employ legal residents. (There just aren't that many industries in which legal and illegal residents are seriously competing for jobs. Taxi driving and janitorial work are about the only ones I can think of offhand. Construction doesn't count, because the illegal workers are used as a unskilled/semi-skilled flexible labor supplement, whereas legal residents are used as a skilled, inflexible core labor. Job exporting is another matter, of course, but without illegal migrant workers there'd be even more of that going on, too.)

Does that mean that the amnesty is a bad idea? Remarkably, no. This is something that we do every decade or so in some form or another. It looks like busy-work, doing something just to say that government is doing something, but it isn't. It is a mechanism for getting a better handle on the immigration numbers, reducing abuses against immigrants, integrating long-term immigrants into legal and social structures, and allowing immigrants to take a step up the socio-economic ladder. Yes, officially we're discouraging settlement, but I've never yet seen a government program designed to encourage sojourner (temporary or guest) labor migration which actually succeeded in getting more than two-thirds of the workers home (and neither has expert David Abraham). That's why we have both Japanese and Chinese communities in the United States: Back in the 19th century, the Chinese were brought in, and when they began settling in too great numbers the employers tried to switch to Japanese workers, whom they hoped would go home with greater frequency; they were wrong about that too. When the anti-Asian sentiment got bad enough, and the 1924 Immigration Act shut them out entirely, illegal Mexican migration picked up, along with the legal European migration, which the act was designed to promote. Illegal migration slacked, I think, during the Depression, but it picked up again in the post-1945 boom, and then we get to the bracero program, and the occasional amnesty, etc., etc., and here we are.

What I'm trying to say is that the US economy seems to be able to absorb more cheap labor than we let in legally, our" cheap" labor pays pretty good by international standards, and neither of those are going to change anytime soon. So the occasional amnesty, or guest worker program, is going to be necessary to keep the mess to a minimum. Understand that the program won't work as advertised, but it will work as intended. Which, I guess, just goes to show that even a "blind man in a room full of deaf people" can find his way sometimes.

SUNDAY UPDATE: It seems that I was a little premature in my above bipartisanship. Most of the Democratic candidates are attacking the proposal as inadequately generous to immigrants and the Republicans in Congress are considered highly unlikely to actually implement the President's proposal. I still think both parties have both pro- and anti- camps, but clearly there is some meaning in the differences. It's too bad, because it's nice to see something kind of moderate come out of this administration.


Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 05:33

The Americans with Disabilities Act was supposed to do for handicaps what the Civil Rights Act did for race. And there are ways in which the doctrines of"reasonable accommodation" and"equal access" have worked fabulously, and not just for those people who fall into the traditional category of disabilities: wheelchair accessibility, for example, is also a boon to anyone with limited mobility, including stroller-pushing parents and book-laden scholars; audio cues and feedback can be used by blind and sighted alike; and there will be more people struggling with physical limitation related to age as life spans extend. Of course there are gaps (for example, the powered doors in my floor of the building where I work are nearly perpetually broken) and there are costs (less than you think, if you plan for this stuff in advance) and there are needs to be balanced (wheelchair-accessible curb cuts, for example, can make it harder for blind cane-users to distinguish sidewalk from street; zero-emissions electric cars run nearly silently, which can also be a problem for the visually impaired.). Struggling with these issues and acting on them, though, is a sign of progress for all of us.

But the ADA is at a turning point. The Supreme Court's recent decisions in favor of states' rights, including limitations on the applicability of the ADA, have made it possible for states, the representatives and servants and protectors of the people, to ignore reasonable accommodation and equal access. The arguments being used against the ADA are the same ones used against civil rights legislation, plus a few fiscal whinings. If the Supreme Court continues in this vein, they will eventually be forced to repudiate precedents like Brown v. Board of Education as unwarranted federal intrusions into state sovereignty, and if the Fourteenth Amendment (Equal Protections) doesn't stop us soon, we're headed back to the Articles of Confederation, 21st century style.

Or maybe even further. I recently read a satire (forwarded courtesy of my father, from whom I get a lot of my sense of humor) claiming that the President declared judges who ruled against the US in the Jose Padilla case "to be enemy combatants ... and sent to the Marine base in Guantanamo, Cuba to be detained until the War on Terror is concluded." What bothers me about this is that on reflection it isn't that funny because it's too plausible. While the legislative branch of government is being cut down by the judiciary (which is itself being politicized and diminished in stature), the executive branch of our government is acquiring the power to be arbitrary, nearly unchecked in the usurpation of judicial and legislative authority. Combine that authority with a Manichean worldview, and I get nervous. Perhaps I'm overreacting because I'm reading too much Liberty and Power, but I think we need to carefully consider our options and our intentions before we muck with the most successfully balanced system of government in human history.


Monday, January 12, 2004 - 04:44

Reading the reports from the AHA, and my colleagues' musings about the value and oddities of the national meeting, I was reminded of my favorite conferences. As an Asianist, I'm a member of the Association for Asian Studies, and the national conferences are intense pleasures. Except at the biggest research institutions, there is rarely more than one Asianist per department at a college or university, and often not more than a few faculty with Asian interests. Even when there is some density of faculty, there are often institutional reasons why we don't interact more. So the AAS Annual is a blast: scholars whose work you've read and cited and who've read and cited your work; having to choose between equally compelling panels in your own field; catching up with friends... OK, so Western historians get to do that at the AHA, but it's not as easy for us Asianists. I'm going to San Diego in March, having organized a panel, and I'm pretty excited, even if I am behind on the actual paper-writing.

But the national is expensive to attend, and very particular about the panels they accept (AAS doesn't accept individual paper proposals anymore, and everyone on a panel, even your discussant, has to be unique to your panel). My favorite conferences, actually, have been the AAS regional conferences, annual events usually held in the summer. I've presented four papers at three different regionals now: New England, Western and Asian-Pacific. The discussions have been substantive, comments helpful, and even the more senior faculty at these events quite approachable and collegial. OK, it's a little harder to find people who do exactly the same work you do, but most of the papers are pretty good and people take feedback (both giving and receiving) more seriously. You get the chance to spend time with and build relationships with colleagues in your region, with much less posturing and preening than goes on at the national. There's no hiring going on, so the"stink of fear" (as one of my grad school colleagues put it) and undercurrents of competition are missing, and that's really nice. The AAS regionals are tightly integrated with the national organization, not some random outgrowth: the regional organizations send members to the AAS board, and I'm pretty sure there's a financial relationship as well.

What I'm wondering is: why aren't there regional AHA organizations? My ties to the historical profession are as strong as my ties to the Asian studies field, but local and regional historical societies seem to be very narrowly focused on US or local history. The closest thing I can find seems to be the annual Phi Alpha Theta (History honor society) gathering, but that's more an undergraduate event. Maybe I just missed it, but it'd be nice to have an institutional setting where historians can really come together and share their work and their experiences without the high-stakes atmosphere of the national meeting.


Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 05:44

Someone, somewhere should be keeping score. I love science fiction and fantasy, particularly that branch of science fiction that really tries to extrapolate into the future: experiments with history, when they're done well. One of my prized possessions is a collection of short stories that does just that: experiment with the future of sport and competition. The Science Fictional Olympics, edited by Isaac Asimov, Martin Greenberg and Charles Waugh, includes some fine fiction: my personal favorite stories are probably Arthur C. Clarke's elegant"The Wind From The Sun," about the thrills and drama of solar sail racing, and"Prose Bowl," by Bill Pronzini and Barry N. Malzberg, which postulates head-to-head competition between pulp fiction writers, complete with penalties for split infinitives and mixed metaphors. I loved that story before I ever heard of poetry slams, or Japanese poetry competitions or renga (group-written linked verse), or the Delphic Games (like the Olympics, but they included competitions in poetry and song as well as athletics), and I think underlies my interest in these forms of competitive public authorship.

But the Cassandra award of the day is shared by two stories on a different subject. The intense but gentle"A Glint of Gold" by Nicholas V. Yermakov, and the more broadly funny"The Mickey Mouse Olympics" by Tom Sullivan both postulate a future in which genetic manipulation turns high level athletic competition into a form of competitive science. Yermakov's story focuses on the human (well, mostly human) costs of single-purpose people. Sullivan's story even includes international agreements against genetic manipulation, though the US and USSR (OK, they didn't see that one coming) are clearly violating it with abandon, and Disney is the primary sponsor of the Olympics, since nobody else can afford the facilities; the punch line really is a punch line, being about boxing. You can even read them as a sequence, with Sullivan as a sequel to Yermakov.

Silly, unlikely stuff, I hear you say? Not according to the NYTimes Magazine story about"Mighty Mice." It seems that a little genetic manipulation can turn ordinary lab rats into over-sized, eternal-youth, muscle-mice, and these techniques are within the grasp of skilled, not necessarily brilliant, technicians and doctors. That would be in addition to all the steroids and supplements and stimulants and oxygen-training that already take remarkable athletes and turn them into freakish over-achievers.

This raises all kinds of questions: What is the entertainment value of barely-human athletes? For me, chemical enhancement takes the drama and reality out of a sport, and turns it into an"arms race" (it's hard to talk about this without a few puns creeping in), but for others it might make it more personally achievable and therefore more relevant. What are the limits of human potential, what is the dividing line between human and ubermensch, and does it matter? (Robert Heinlein's Friday is partially an extended meditation on that subject as well; there are many others, of course.) Where do you put the asterisks in the record book? Single stars for super-trainers; double-stars for steroids; triple-stars for gene therapies; four-star notations for specially-bred? Or do you just establish separate lists, and separate leagues? There is the matter of intellectual property rights: if gene therapies or gene manipulations for athletes are commercially developed, who owns the athletes when they're done and who gets credit for their achievements? (Imagine an update to Sullivan: the Monsanto Manipulators against the Pfizer Pfixers, two teams of scientists pitting their carefully engineered teams against each other in an range of events, stock prices fluctuating with the success or failure of the"athletic products.") What is the balance between risk and reward: if you could climb Mt. Everest without special equipment, but would only live to be 14, would it be worth it? Really? And, in the immediate present, what about the ethics of the athletes and trainers who are already calling scientists to sign up for procedures that have never been tried on human beings before.

The things we do to ourselves.....


Saturday, January 17, 2004 - 05:15