Mr. McElvaine teaches history at Millsaps College. He is the author of EVE'S SEED: BIOLOGY, THE SEXES AND THE COURSE OF HISTORY (McGraw-Hill).

Editor's Note 12-5-05: This article was first published 19 months ago. It was referred to in an article by Richard Reeves on Dec. 2, attracting wide notice. Readers are encouraged to post fresh comments by clicking on the link at the bottom of this page. (FYI: To see the graphics displayed on this page in a larger format click here.)
Although his approval ratings have slipped somewhat in recent weeks, President George W. Bush still enjoys the overall support of nearly half of the American people. He does not, however, fare nearly so well among professional historians.
A recent informal, unscientific survey of historians conducted at my suggestion by George Mason University’s History News Network found that eight in ten historians responding rate the current presidency an overall failure.

Of 415 historians who expressed a view of President Bush’s administration to this point as a success or failure, 338 classified it as a failure and 77 as a success. (Moreover, it seems likely that at least eight of those who said it is a success were being sarcastic, since seven said Bush’s presidency is only the best since Clinton’s and one named Millard Fillmore.) Twelve percent of all the historians who responded rate the current presidency the worst in all of American history, not too far behind the 19 percent who see it at this point as an overall success.
Among the cautions that must be raised about the survey is just what “success” means. Some of the historians rightly pointed out that it would be hard to argue that the Bush presidency has not so far been a political success—or, for that matter that President Bush has not been remarkably successful in achieving his objectives in Congress. But those meanings of success are by no means incompatible with the assessment that the Bush presidency is a disaster. “His presidency has been remarkably successful,” one historian declared, “in its pursuit of disastrous policies.” “I think the Bush administration has been quite successful in achieving its political objectives,” another commented, “which makes it a disaster for us.”
Additionally, it is, of course, as one respondent rightly noted, “way too early to make a valid comparison (we need another 50 years).” And such an informal survey is plainly not scientifically reliable. Yet the results are so overwhelming and so different from the perceptions of the general public that an attempt to explain and assess their reactions merits our attention. It may be, as one pro-Bush historian said in his or her written response to the poll, “I suspect that this poll will tell us nothing about President Bush’s performance vis-à-vis his peer group, but may confirm what we already know about the current crop of history professors.” The liberal-left proclivities of much of the academic world are well documented, and some observers will dismiss the findings as the mere rantings of a disaffected professoriate. “If historians were the only voters,” another pro-Bush historian noted, “Mr. Gore would have carried 50 states.” It is plain that many liberal academics have the same visceral reaction against the second President Bush that many conservatives did against his immediate predecessor.
Yet it seems clear that a similar survey taken during the presidency of Bush’s father would not have yielded results nearly as condemnatory. And, for all the distaste liberal historians had for Ronald Reagan, relatively few would have rated his administration as worse than that of Richard Nixon. Yet today 57 percent of all the historians who participated in the survey (and 70 percent of those who see the Bush presidency as a failure) either name someone prior to Nixon or say that Bush’s presidency is the worst ever, meaning that they rate it as worse than the two presidencies in the past half century that liberals have most loved to hate, those of Nixon and Reagan. One who made the comparison with Nixon explicit wrote, “Indeed, Bush puts Nixon into a more favorable light. He has trashed the image and reputation of the United States throughout the world; he has offended many of our previously close allies; he has burdened future generations with incredible debt; he has created an unnecessary war to further his domestic political objectives; he has suborned the civil rights of our citizens; he has destroyed previous environmental efforts by government in favor of his coterie of exploiters; he has surrounded himself with a cabal ideological adventurers . . . .”
Why should the views of historians on the current president matter?
I do not share the view of another respondent that “until we have gained access to the archival record of this president, we [historians] are no better at evaluating it than any other voter.” Academic historians, no matter their ideological bias, have some expertise in assessing what makes for a successful or unsuccessful presidency; we have a long-term perspective in which to view the actions of a current chief executive. Accordingly, the depth of the negative assessment that so many historians make of George W. Bush is something of which the public should be aware. Their comments make clear that such historians would readily agree with conclusion that then-Democratic presidential hopeful Richard Gephardt pronounced a few months ago: the presidency of George W. Bush is “a miserable failure.”

The past presidencies most commonly linked with the current administration include all of those that are usually rated as the worst in the nation’s history: Nixon, Harding, Hoover, Buchanan, Coolidge, Andrew Johnson, Grant, and McKinley. The only president who appeared prominently on both the favorable and unfavorable lists was Ronald Reagan. Forty-seven historians said Bush is the best president since Reagan, while 38 said he is the worst since Reagan. Almost all of the historians who rate the Bush presidency a success are Reagan admirers. Indeed, no other president (leaving aside the presumably mostly tongue-in-cheek mentions of Clinton) was named by more than four of the historians who took a favorable view of the current presidency.
Ronald Reagan clearly has become the sort of polarizing figure that Franklin Roosevelt was for an earlier generation—or, perhaps a better way to understand the phenomenon is that Reagan has become the personification of the pole opposite to Roosevelt. That polarization is evident in historians’ evaluations of George W. Bush’s presidency. “If one believes Bush is a ‘good’ president (or great),” one poll respondent noted, he or she “would necessarily also believe Reagan to be a pretty good president.” They also tend to despise Roosevelt. “There is no indication,” one historian said of Bush, “that he has advisors who are closet communist traitors as FDR had. Based on his record to date, history is likely to judge him as one of America’s greatest presidents, in the tradition of Washington and Lincoln.”
The thought that anyone could rate the incumbent president with Washington and Lincoln is enough to induce apoplexy in a substantial majority of historians. Among the many offenses they enumerate in their indictment of Bush is that he is, as one of them put it, “well on his way to destroying the entire (and entirely successful) structures of international cooperation and regulated, humane capitalism and social welfare that have been built up since the early 1930s.” “Bush is now in a position,” Another historian said, “to ‘roll back the New Deal,’ guided by Tom DeLay.”
Several charges against the Bush administration arose repeatedly in the comments of historians who responded to the survey. Among them were: the doctrine of pre-emptive war, crony capitalism/being “completely in bed with certain corporate interests,” bankruptcy/fiscal irresponsibility, military adventurism, trampling of civil liberties, and anti-environmental policies.
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The reasons stated by some of the historians for their choice of the presidency that they believe Bush’s to be the worst since are worth repeating. The following are representative examples for each of the presidents named most frequently:
REAGAN: “I think the presidency of George W. Bush has been generally a failure and I consider his presidency so far to have been the most disastrous since that of Ronald Reagan--because of the unconscionable military aggression and spending (especially the Iraq War), the damage done to the welfare of the poor while the corporate rich get richer, and the backwards religious fundamentalism permeating this administration. I strongly disliked and distrusted Reagan and think that George W. is even worse.”
NIXON: “Actually, I think [Bush’s] presidency may exceed the disaster that was Nixon. He has systematically lied to the American public about almost every policy that his administration promotes.” Bush uses “doublespeak” to “dress up policies that condone or aid attacks by polluters and exploiters of the environment . . . with names like the ‘Forest Restoration Act’ (which encourages the cutting down of forests).”
HOOVER: “I would say GW is our worst president since Herbert Hoover. He is moving to bankrupt the federal government on the eve of the retirement of the baby boom generation, and he has brought America’s reputation in the world to its lowest point in the entire history of the United States.”
COOLIDGE: “I think his presidency has been an unmitigated disaster for the environment, for international relations, for health care, and for working Americans. He’s on a par with Coolidge!”
HARDING: “Oil, money and politics again combine in ways not flattering to the integrity of the office. Both men also have a tendency to mangle the English language yet get their points across to ordinary Americans. [Yet] the comparison does Harding something of a disservice.”
McKINLEY: “Bush is perhaps the first president [since McKinley] to be entirely in the ‘hip pocket’ of big business, engage in major external conquest for reasons other than national security, AND be the puppet of his political handler. McKinley had Mark Hanna; Bush has Karl Rove. No wonder McKinley is Rove’s favorite historical president (precedent?).”
GRANT: “He ranks with U.S. Grant as the worst. His oil interests and Cheney’s corporate Haliburton contracts smack of the same corruption found under Grant.”
“While Grant did serve in the army (more than once), Bush went AWOL from the National Guard. That means that Grant is automatically more honest than Bush, since Grant did not send people into places that he himself consciously avoided. . . . Grant did not attempt to invade another country without a declaration of war; Bush thinks that his powers in this respect are unlimited.”
ANDREW JOHNSON: “I consider his presidency so far to have been the most disastrous since that of Andrew Johnson. It has been a sellout of fundamental democratic (and Republican) principles. There are many examples, but the most recent would be his successful efforts to insert provisions in spending bills which directly controvert measures voted down by both houses of Congress.”
BUCHANAN: “Buchanan can be said to have made the Civil War inevitable or to have made the war last longer by his pusillanimity or, possibly, treason.” “Buchanan allowed a war to evolve, but that war addressed a real set of national issues. Mr. Bush started a war . . . for what reason?”
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EVER: The second most common response from historians, trailing only Nixon, was that the current presidency is the worst in American history. A few examples will serve to provide the flavor of such condemnations. “Although previous presidents have led the nation into ill-advised wars, no predecessor managed to turn America into an unprovoked aggressor. No predecessor so thoroughly managed to confirm the impressions of those who already hated America. No predecessor so effectively convinced such a wide range of world opinion that America is an imperialist threat to world peace. I don 't think that you can do much worse than that.”
“Bush is horrendous; there is no comparison with previous presidents, most of whom have been bad.”
“He is blatantly a puppet for corporate interests, who care only about their own greed and have no sense of civic responsibility or community service. He lies, constantly and often, seemingly without control, and he lied about his invasion into a sovereign country, again for corporate interests; many people have died and been maimed, and that has been lied about too. He grandstands and mugs in a shameful manner, befitting a snake oil salesman, not a statesman. He does not think, process, or speak well, and is emotionally immature due to, among other things, his lack of recovery from substance abuse. The term is "dry drunk". He is an abject embarrassment/pariah overseas; the rest of the world hates him . . . . . He is, by far, the most irresponsible, unethical, inexcusable occupant of our formerly highest office in the land that there has ever been.”
“George W. Bush's presidency is the pernicious enemy of American freedom, compassion, and community; of world peace; and of life itself as it has evolved for millennia on large sections of the planet. The worst president ever? Let history judge him.”
“This president is unique in his failures.”
And then there was this split ballot, comparing the George W. Bush presidencies failures in distinct areas. The George W. Bush presidency is the worst since:
“In terms of economic damage, Reagan.
In terms of imperialism, T Roosevelt.
In terms of dishonesty in government, Nixon.
In terms of affable incompetence, Harding.
In terms of corruption, Grant.
In terms of general lassitude and cluelessness, Coolidge.
In terms of personal dishonesty, Clinton.
In terms of religious arrogance, Wilson.”
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My own answer to the question was based on astonishment that so many people still support a president who has:
- Presided over the loss of approximately three million American jobs in his first two-and-a-half years in office, the worst record since Herbert Hoover.
- Overseen an economy in which the stock market suffered its worst decline in the first two years of any administration since Hoover’s.
- Taken, in the wake of the terrorist attacks two years ago, the greatest worldwide outpouring of goodwill the United States has enjoyed at least since World War II and squandered it by insisting on pursuing a foolish go-it-almost-alone invasion of Iraq, thereby transforming almost universal support for the United States into worldwide condemnation. (One historian made this point particularly well: “After inadvertently gaining the sympathies of the world 's citizens when terrorists attacked New York and Washington, Bush has deliberately turned the country into the most hated in the world by a policy of breaking all major international agreements, declaring it our right to invade any country that we wish, proving that he’ll manipulate facts to justify anything he wishes to do, and bull-headedly charging into a quagmire.”)
- Misled (to use the most charitable word and interpretation) the American public about weapons of mass destruction and supposed ties to Al Qaeda in Iraq and so into a war that has plainly (and entirely predictably) made us less secure, caused a boom in the recruitment of terrorists, is killing American military personnel needlessly, and is threatening to suck up all our available military forces and be a bottomless pit for the money of American taxpayers for years to come.
- Failed to follow through in Afghanistan, where the Taliban and Al Qaeda are regrouping, once more increasing the threat to our people.
- Insulted and ridiculed other nations and international organizations and now has to go, hat in hand, to those nations and organizations begging for their assistance.
- Completely miscalculated or failed to plan for the personnel and monetary needs in Iraq after the war, so that he sought and obtained an $87 billion appropriation for Iraq, a sizable chunk of which is going, without competitive bidding to Haliburton, the company formerly headed by his vice president.
- Inherited an annual federal budget surplus of $230 billion and transformed it into a $500+ billion deficit in less than three years. This negative turnaround of three-quarters of a trillion dollars is totally without precedent in our history. The ballooning deficit for fiscal 2004 is rapidly approaching twice the dollar size of the previous record deficit, $290 billion, set in 1992, the last year of the administration of President Bush’s father and, at almost 5 percent of GDP, is closing in on the percentage record set by Ronald Reagan in 1986.
- Cut taxes three times, sharply reducing the burden on the rich, reclassified money obtained through stock ownership as more deserving than money earned through work. The idea that dividend income should not be taxed—what might accurately be termed the unearned income tax credit—can be stated succinctly: “If you had to work for your money, we’ll tax it; if you didn’t have to work for it, you can keep it all.”
- Severely curtailed the very American freedoms that our military people are supposed to be fighting to defend. (“The Patriot Act,” one of the historians noted, “is the worst since the Alien and Sedition Acts under John Adams.”)
- Called upon American armed service people, including Reserve forces, to sacrifice for ever-lengthening tours of duty in a hostile and dangerous environment while he rewards the rich at home with lower taxes and legislative giveaways and gives lucrative no-bid contracts to American corporations linked with the administration.
- Given an opportunity to begin to change the consumption-oriented values of the nation after September 11, 2001, when people were prepared to make a sacrifice for the common good, called instead of Americans to ‘sacrifice’ by going out and buying things.
- Proclaimed himself to be a conservative while maintaining that big government should be able to run roughshod over the Bill of Rights, and that the government must have all sorts of secrets from the people, but the people can be allowed no privacy from the government. (As one of the historians said, “this is not a conservative administration; it is a reckless and arrogant one, beholden to a mix of right-wing ideologues, neo-con fanatics, and social Darwinian elitists.”)
My assessment is that George W. Bush’s record on running up debt to burden our children is the worst since Ronald Reagan; his record on government surveillance of citizens is the worst since Richard Nixon; his record on foreign-military policy has gotten us into the worst foreign mess we’ve been in since Lyndon Johnson sank us into Vietnam; his economic record is the worst since Herbert Hoover; his record of tax favoritism for the rich is the worst since Calvin Coolidge; his record of trampling on civil liberties is the worst since Woodrow Wilson. How far back in our history would we need to go to find a presidency as disastrous for this country as that of George W. Bush has been thus far? My own vote went to the administration of James Buchanan, who warmed the president’s chair while the union disintegrated in 1860-61.
Who has been the biggest beneficiary of the horrible terrorism that struck our nation in September of 2001? The answer to that question should be obvious to anyone who considers where the popularity ratings and reelection prospects of a president with the record outlined above would be had he not been able to wrap himself in the flag, take advantage of the American people’s patriotism, and make himself synonymous with “the United States of America” for the past two years.
That abuse of the patriotism and trust of the American people is even worse than everything else this president has done and that fact alone might be sufficient to explain the depth of the hostility with which so many historians view George W. Bush. Contrary to the conservative stereotype of academics as anti-American, the reasons that many historians cited for seeing the Bush presidency as a disaster revolve around their perception that he is undermining traditional American practices and values. As one patriotic historian put it, “I think his presidency has been the worst disaster to hit the United States and is bringing our beloved country to financial, economic, and social disaster.”
Some voters may judge such assessments to be wrong, but they are assessments informed by historical knowledge and the electorate ought to have them available to take into consideration during this election year.


Re: Worst. President. Ever.
Because they have backed themselves into a corner with thier voting record, we find that while the Democrats are more than willing to speak out on matters concerning Bush's war, they are caught in a conundrum concerning how to best overshadow their their prior support to the war, while attacking its mis-management. Some have taken the route of John Kerry and claimed that they were duped into it (which weakens the argument by Dems, or liberals in general, that President Bush is an intellectual midget), while others are focusing exclusivly now on the corruption exposed in Abu Gharib and the Haliburton/KBR bids. Unfortunately for those looking to see Bush impeached, or Rumsfeld fired though, this strategy, and their prior record in following blindly to war, this makes it politically impossible for Democrats to bring out articles of impeachment without looking like a bunch of hypocrites.
Re: Worst. President. Ever.
Seriously, though, you're both right: the Democratic party has not offered principled objections to the Iraq war, but tactical ones, and that doesn't really make for high-minded debating.
Civility?
I've looked back over the article, and I don't see anything which even approaches a violation of the vulgarity and civility limits on HNN discourse. I suppose the one-sidedness of the result might be seen as "piling on" but, without scaring you, I've seen much worse on these discussion boards.
And my years of experience with history and historians suggests to me that the only thing "history" will probably prove is that things change. Take, for example, Ronald Reagan, whose reputation now is as almost as good (and as bifurcated) as FDR's used to be, for many of the same reasons (and some much less convincing ones). FDR is getting more complicated and harder to love; Reagan will find a more interesting and nuanced balance point somewhere closer to human, as well.
Bush? Well, since we'll never actually get access to the records that would allow a full reckoning of his sins and triumphs, at least not this century, we'll just have to muddle through.
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Re: Perhaps it is the Historians who have Failed
In the future, try offering comments that move beyond your "smug" one-liners.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. I've not been able to access the websites you refer to.
BHS
Re: Perhaps it is the Historians who have Failed
re:Historians vs. George W. Bush
So much crap...so little time!
The Opinions of Brilliant Idiots
Every time I read something like this that confirms the insane leftism of academic elites, I keep flashing back to Malcolm Muggeridge's essay on the great liberal death wish, with Muggeridge's reminiscences about how his liberal British colleagues in journalism and academia consistently took an attitude that anything injurious to Britain was automatically to be applauded; that Hitler was bad but an understandable manifestation of the Treaty of Versailles and thus it was morally improper to condemn him; that any attempt to rearm Britain against a looming Nazi threat was a "rush to war"; that the ramshackle League of Nations and international goodwill could be trusted to keep the peace; that Stalin's Soviet Union was a new utopia. I remember Orwell's comment that many British intellectuals floated a theory that American troops arriving in Britain to prepare for the Continetal invasion were really there to occupy Britain, an attitude that caused Orwell to remark that some things are so stupid that only intellectuals will believe them (Orwell also got the idea for the Ministry of Peace and Truth in "1984" from the BBC, which was spewing left-wing nonsense even back then).
I think of how, after the war, the French Communist party -- which ridicuously inflated the number of its members killed in the Resistance -- became the most popular political party among French intellectuals and made its leader, Maurice Thorez -- who collaborated with the Nazis -- into a cult figure. I remember the comment made by Paul Samuelson -- a Nobel laureate in economics, for Pete's sake -- that the Soviet command economy had proved to be a powerful engine for economic growth, and Lester Thurow's comment in 1989 (!) that the Soviet Union had made enormous economic strides in recent years, and John Kenneth Galbraith's 1984 comment that the Soviet economy was distinguishable from America's in that it made full use of its manpower. I think of the large number of historians who believe, even after the decoding of the Venona cables, that Alger Hiss was innocent. I remember a poll the sociologist Paul Hollander sent to Canadian intellectuals in the last 1980s, asking them who they considered to be the most evil person of the 20th Century: Adolf Hitler came in first, Ronald Reagan came in second.
What the hell explains these attitudes, which look so ridiculous in retrospect? I wish I knew. One thing I can say: I am confident that this poll of historians will look asinine in turn within 20 years.
Re: HISTORIANS vs GEORGE W. BUSH - HNN Special
I have a strong suspicion that a poll taken during the Reagan years would have produced similar results; historians are crazy if they think they can look evenhanded while spewing this kind of vitriol about a president whose term isn't even yet completed! History has undergone some revisions with regard to Reagan as his record -- and the results of his policies -- have been re-examined, and the judgment of history regarding Bush should rely on the unknown resolutions of current issues; i.e., whether Iraq forms a free and stable government.
My hunch is that you're on the right side. Keep the faith.
Re: Need some legal background?
Applying your standard, I could promise you that I am going to do you physical violence should we ever cross paths, and there is nothing you can do about it except wait for my attack. Just who is responsible for your safety, and how are they going to provide you with protection? Then I'd ask the same questions as they pertain to nation states.
I'm not a historian, but I've learned enough in my lifetime to know that acts of violence certainly do justify retaliatory acts of violence. Should the United States have just turned the other cheek, or perhaps surrendered, following the attack on Pearl Harbor?
I just asked to point out the absurdity of your position since you did not see fit to acknowledge that the motivations of the actors can provide valid moral and legal justification for acts of violence.
Worst on Civil Rights Since....
Re: Perhaps it is the Historians who have Failed
The jackass is the one who writes like that.
Re: Missing Something
It's always a fair response to point out that a fallacy was committed.
Re: Perhaps it is the Historians who have Failed
First you attribute smug confidence to historians, then when I offer an analogy based on the absence of smugness in our reasonable expectation that the sun will rise, you affirm my point as if disaffirming it, and throw your "smugly" spitball at me, too. Heehaw!
> For instance, I am an incredibly bright person and I oppose the war in Iraq, therefore the war in Iraq must be wrong and it will undoubtedly fail or else I am not as bright as I think I am and my opposition to the war may be flawed.
You call me a jackass, but I submit that only a jackass would offer up such an absurd and dishonest caricature.
Historical analysis of the present is inaccurate
But I'm assuming that many of these historians weren't even trying to draw accurate historical comparisons, and were instead letting their own political beliefs trickle into their "analysis." Yet another reason to wait twenty years to analyze a presidency's successes and failures - personal resentment and party ties are often broken down and the true nature of the presidency shines through.
I find your poll a bit like saying, "In a study of 500 people who tend to be conservative, 430 said that they wouldn't vote for John Kerry, and believe that he would be a bad president."
i asked googLe
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=worst+president+ever
i don't think it's a googLe bomb either
worst president sweepstakes
Re: Worst. President. Ever.
A dentist once told me that if people like their dentist, then they think he is doing a good job. That explains why the public thinks George W is doing a good job, they look at that face and listen to him and think he's a cute 12 year old kid who they take a liking to. I call it the "Likeability Factor" which also explains why so many Americans think Reagan was a good president. They public found him just darn likeable. Historians (most) have the unfortunate habit of discounting likeability in their overall assessment.
"If my understanding of history is correct, the masses more often than not, allow oppression, even enjoy oppression in the name of security and stability."
A news reporter asked a Serb when was it that the public started to turn against Milosevic. He replied, once Milosevic started loosing. I think that is very telling about the human race, that we will overlook atrocities and abuses until it stops working and we start to loose. Bush's poll numbers looked great when we were winning, but now with 900+ US soldiers dead and thousands maimed or severly wounded, and no clear resolution in sight, the public is beginning wonder if we are still winning. But of course, Bush puts on his puppy dog smile and says "We've turned the corner."
We need to help educate the people. A book you might find interesting is 100 Thoughts - Life, Politics, Science and Religion by T.M. Akashi http://www.brightmorningpress.com
Re: The Opinions of Brilliant Idiots
and never once in all their writing actually say anything about the article they're objecting to?
Please go through this fella's posting and see what substance of any kind he puts forth to contest the historians' assessment...
Re: Historical analysis of the present is inaccurate
Meanwhile, whatever the risks of assessing a President's effectiveness inside the 20 or 50 year mark, such assessment is a necessity; else what would one base one's vote on, in a re-election attempt?
Re: HISTORIANS vs GEORGE W. BUSH - HNN Special
I don't really think the poll WILL look foolish 'soon enough'; back in the '80s some of us protested that Reagan's invention of "facts" (remember the claim that the contras were the moral equivalent of the founding fathers? that trees cause most air pollution? that ketchup is a vegetable?), preferential tax treatment for the rich, and his benign-SOUNDING speechifying over policies disastrous to the economy, the environment and the unity of the country would lead to terrible results.
Since that time, look at what's happened: we had a pardon, by his VP, of people who were involved in illegal activities on Reagan's watch; a worsening of the gap between rich and poor; a severing of the safety net for the poor and middle class while that for the rich and incorporated grows steadily stronger; more adventurist wars; an increase in the deficit and national debt - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory as it seems; a worsening environment faced with stout denial by the current administration...
I wonder what you fellas think would constitute appropriate modes of speech for discussing someone you believe earnestly to be tearing the country down.
But this is actually all distraction; the true central question is what we can do to replace him in November!
Re: Perhaps it is the Historians who have Failed
(1) You can't possibly believe that if the public disagrees with historians, then the historians must be out of touch. That's like saying that if I think I'm having a heart attack and the doctor says I'm just having heart burn, then the doctor must be out of touch. Clearly, the opinions of experts must be given at least as much weight as the opinions of non-experts.
(2) The public doesn't like Bush that much either. They may not think he's the worst ever, but his approval ratings are poor.
Listen, if you're spending a lot of time on the HNN, you should have the intelligence to understand that, all political beliefs aside, many of Bush's policies have failed. Just admit it and get over it. There have been bad Democratic presidents and bad Republican presidents. Bush is a bad Republican president. Just admit it. You don't have to vote for Kerry, but at least take enough of a step into reality to admit that Bush hasn't been that great.
Historians vs. George W. Bush
Wisdom I respect, academia I question. Sadly it seems tht often the two never meet.
Re: Worst. President. Ever.
Half of all Americans are so apathetic and just love to live in ignorance. I really don't think the media or the administration can be blamed for this. The truth is out there and it's so easy to access, especially now with the internet and various publications. The thing is, some people really don't care and just live their pathetic lives engrossed in trash t.v. or video games, or else they don't even bother to vote! Meanwhile in the rest of the world, thousand of innocent people are dying and all of these apathetic americans have blood on their hands and don't even know it.
Mr. T.M. Akashi, I'm sure your book is very informative, unfortunately, the people who really should read it never will.
Re: Mr. Balter's comment
The truth of Mr. Galle's conclusion does not depend on the (lack of) strength of his argument.
Suppose it is raining and a fool says, "The sky is dark. Therefore, it must be raining." Clearly, his argument is flawed, but that doesn't prove that his conclusion is false.
Re: Disagreeing versus randomized ranting
yeah but who in the general public is reading--or even cares
"Why should the views of historians on the current president matter?
I do not share the view of another respondent that 'until we have gained access to the archival record of this president, we [historians] are no better at evaluating it than any other voter.' Academic historians, no matter their ideological bias, have some expertise in assessing what makes for a successful or unsuccessful presidency; we have a long-term perspective in which to view the actions of a current chief executive. Accordingly, the depth of the negative assessment that so many historians make of George W. Bush is something of which the public should be aware. Their comments make clear that such historians would readily agree with conclusion that then-Democratic presidential hopeful Richard Gephardt pronounced a few months ago: the presidency of George W. Bush is “a miserable failure.' "
While historians, like members of the general public, can assess the post-decisional aspects of the incumbent administration, right now we mostly must rely on Bob Woodward's books and on the assurances of people in government about what is going on behind the scenes. Some of the policy decisions would seem to indicate that options were not aired out as fully as officials have implied. (That reflects my historian side more than my voting record, which has been mostly but not exclusively Republican -- I am part of the shrinking group, a centrist.) Of course, officials are going to tell us that there is vigorous pre-decisional debate and careful consideration of options, but is that really the case? The evidence, if it exists, is in the as yet unavailable archival record.
Occasionally, some primary source materials emerge through leaks to newspapers or the work of a commission. But we are in the dark, by and large, as to pre-decisional processes, an area the Bush administration has protected from view very strongly and may continue to do so after he leaves office. Still, as someone who has worked both as an archivist specializing in presidential records and as an historian, I would not dismiss the importance of access to the archival record in assessing a Presidency.
Dr. McElvaine writes that the assessment of Bush by historians "is something of which the public should be aware." Unfortunately, I don't believe the public cares much what historians think. It has almost no exposure to it, in any event.
In his September 11, 2004 column in the New York Times, "Ruling Class War," David Brooks argued that CEOs and business leaders are "spreadsheet people" who admire Bush's clarity and values and who tend to support Republicans. Brooks said historians and academics are "paragraph people" who focus on nuance and are drawn to Kerry and the Democrats. (A letter writer later added another class, "PowerPoint or bullet-point people," who "traffic in the meaningless business-speak of the management consultant, language that eschews equally the nuance and hard numbers of reality.")
Joe Klein noted in TIME last week that many voters like the fact that Bush seems to believe what he says even if it doesn't always match reality. Historians are supposed to traffic in reality. In this year's campaign, how often have you seen political appeals based on empirical evidence rather than emotion? Since neither Bush nor Kerry has directly addressed many of the hard issues facing the nation, why then should voters care what historians think? And if they did care, where would they read the type of critical analysis necessary to understand historians' views? They are not reading HNN, that's for sure.
If they were, what would they see? Peter Clarke elsewhere has pointed out correctly that HNN is not a site for historians, rather a site for political opinion with occasional historical overtones. Would any undecided voter be likely to be influenced by what is posted on HNN? Probably not, due to the tone of many of the messages. In a site supposedly focused on critical analysis, it is amusing to see how many of you fling mud at opposing viewpoints, demonize each other, and fail to give credit for any thought by opponents. If you guys handled family issues the way you do divergent viewpoint on HNN, you'd end up divorced from your spouses and estranged from your children! (Surely you are not at home the old fashioned "autocrats of the breakfast table!") And I'd hate to see how much turmoil you'd have in the workplace if you insulted colleagues the way you do each other here. Funny to watch actually and to try to figure out why the one upmanship and mud slinging is supposed to be appealing to readers! In a year where many members of the public say they are put off by negative campaigning, it is fascinating to see how often its tactics are replicated here on HNN's boards.
Historians v.s. George W. Bush and his Red Chinese silk shoes
irrelevant history/civics texts
U.S. history texts that our high school juniors are using
to bring back memories of my own teaching career. When I
began teaching 12th grade civics at Glendora H.S. (in
Southern California) in the early '60s, the adopted text
was written by Eastern academics who had no knowledge of
California's interesting and unique civics history. As a
result, I taught the program using scrounged resource ma-
terial, etc. Hopefully I was able to make a contribu-tion to my students' understanding of how government op-
erated, and of their responsibilities as future citizens.
It distresses me to learn than reportedly a large number
of teachers given this important assignment are neither
academically nor emotionally prepared.
Bush's record
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a U.S. President.
I am the all-time U.S. and world record holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations. My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history, Enron.
My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.
I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip offs in history.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
I changed the U..S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
I am the first President in U.S. history to have the
United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election.
I set the record for fewest number of press conferences of any President since the advent of television.
I set the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period. After taking off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S. history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I have set the all time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
I am the first President in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world community.
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in war time.
In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
I am the first President in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Bunker Buster," a WMD (Weapon of Mass Destruction).
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice.
Historians vs George W. Bush
Re: The Opinions of Brilliant Idiots
The intellectual dishonesty by a President towards his people, is perhaps Bush’s greatest betrayal of the American people. Bin Laden hates America for proping up the Saudi regime, bolstering Israel and what he sees as the humiliation of the Islamic world. Bin Laden isn’t a threat to the fundamental freedoms of the American people, anymore than the IRA were a threat to democracy in my own country. Bush has by his unwarranted invasion of Iraq and his complete lack of political courage in actually attacking the causes of fundamental Islamic militancy, acted as the greatest recruiting sergeant in history for terrorism.
If Bush had shown the foresight, intelligence and courage displayed by Truman with the Marshall Plan and led the world (which in the wake of 9/11 was totally behind America) to destroy the grievances which have radicalised the Muslim world AND used US power to seek and destroy Al-Qaeda and the Taliban totally, he would have been entitled to rank amongst the great US presidents. Bush is at bottom a man like Harding who has been elevated (corruptly) to a place far beyond his abilities and unlike his father doesn’t have the experience or brain power to distinguish between bad advice and good. Complexity is not a vice, and Bush just doesn’t have the brains to deal with the problems of a complex world. The Oval Office needs to be filled by men of ability and character, Bush may have character (of a simplistic sort) but without ability it means nothing.
Contradictions
I set out on a quest to collect reasons they support him based on the improvements he has made in the lives of United States citizens during his four years. I collected zero. Usually there was a referance made to his being trustworthy and the proliferation of the opposition. I then began to mention Bush programs, such as the education reform of President Bush, No One Get Left Behind, as though I were in support of it myself. They would then begin to shoot it down themselves choosing their words carefully.
I am still in search of these reasons. I can list a few reasons as to why I should not have voted for George Bush.
1) The idea of privatizing health care to start. Individuals investing into their own Social Security so that the only people who will ever collect social security are those who do not need it. When do we institute such a plan? How about the people who have already worked for 30 years unaware of such a reform, is there going to be a period of time where US citizens continue paying Social security for retirees as well as their own private social security accounts. These are the same people who are going to have to pay back billions in debt of the two wars we are fighting now. Also what about those who made a good wage during prime earning years thirty years ago but their earnings pale to the cost of living of today? I had lived three years in Thailand and saw a country where there is no social security, senior citizens are taken care of by granddaughters working as prostitutes in major cities, and if you think we that far away from such atrocities in the USA think again, our poverty rate already exceeds Thailand's 12.7 % to 12.5%
2) Totally eliminating any sense of international support for the united States outside of The United States. I recently read a poll where his approval rating ranks between 3 and 6% in Europe's four major non-English speaking countries, Germany, Italy, France, and Spain. He has created this feeling abroad of American arrogance which now unfortunately is all to true.
I have not even touched on Iraq, which was a major misnomer of justice, and has Arabs mentioning Bush as a terrorist and murderer. Actually in terms of percentages , more Iraqis have died during our military occupation of the country than during the Hussein regime. We make mention of his mistreatment of the Kurds however support Turkey, who has commited similar atrocities against them. But such is the case with this adminstration, say anything in order to give a reason or excuse to try and justify your own selfish means to an end. Also having lived with a Lebanese family in a city called Zahle, I can tell you American people are respected greatly there, but our Government is criticized. While I relaize there is some bias amongst Arabs concerning their homeland policies, they are however stuppored by the ignorance and naivity of the American public. Bush stated that there was a strong connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden, which is totally untrue. He declared Iraq a hotbed of terrorism however any educated person who has researched at all, knows that Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen are all far more dangerous places in relation to terrorism. He spoke of Iraq's crimes against hmanity, but the Syrian army violated UN Sanctions as peace keeping forces in Lebanon, stealing water and resources that went to the support of military and terrosit groups, but nothing was done.
3) Finally amongst supporters there is no stability in there reasoning, they support him for his stance as a Christian, which I also do for being Christian, but they claim Jimmy Carter was a horrible President. If you support Bush as a Christian how could you criticize Carter who had most likely the strongest christian faith of any President.
I would like to end by saying I believe that your assessment of Geroge Bush as horrible President does not go far enough, most of the men you mention, with the exception of McKinley, and Coolidge inherited many problems, Grant( reconstruction), Buchanan ( Civil unrest), Nixon ( Vietnam), Reagan ( Iran and an unstable economy), Hoover( The Great Depression). While your point is noted about their shortcomings, Bush inherited a strong economy, high levels of international good will and feelings toward the US, no miltary conflict, and has us on the brink of bankruptcy, and has the whole world at odds with us. I think we need to look back to rule of Czar Nicholas II in Russia to find a worse leader than Bush, amongst major world powers. Maybe there is some magic man behind the scenes with magical powers over his wife, or maybe when they chained Rasputin and threw him in the river he once again averted death and is really Donald Rumsfeld, as outlandish a possiblity as that is, it is far more likely than George Bush rescuing our rapidly declining country during his second term.
Re: The Opinions of Brilliant Idiots
Bush is simply a person who's led a mediocre, mostly private, priveleged life, and is and will continue to be a mediocre president.
Re: worst president sweepstakes
This is pure conjecture, but I think a meeting or meetings were held back in 1992-93 after Clinton took office to lay out the strategy to gain control once and for all and under any and all circumstances.
The original plan was to run Jeb Bush in 2000. George W. was then considered an after-thought, back-up plan, or something along those lines. Back in 1992-93, both were politically neophytes, never having run for any office of any type and with a total of 0 years in public service between them. Strangely, however, or perhaps not so strangely, both decided to make thier first bid for elective office in this time-span.
Jeb does seem to have some intellectual abilities, some charisma, and is generall quite well-spoken. It is quite easy to see how those wanting to take over permanent control of the government could see that by getting Jeb elected twice governor of some state (generally considered the minimum criteria necessary for a credible candidate) and with his natural name recognition, he would serve quite nicely to do their bidding.
However something happened. Jeb lost in his first race for governor of Florida. The back-up, George W. won his race as governor or Texas. Jeb won the next race, and George W. was reelected. Coming into 2000, GW, their back-up, was the only option that met the minimal criteria to be viewed as a credible candidate for the Presidency.
It should be understood that their was no actual Republican Presidential primary in 2000. GW was given at least 20 million well before the Iowa caucuses. Whatever happened in Iowa and New Hampshire, no candidate could possible compete against GW and his money in the sudden onset of primaries across a vast swath of states in what is known as Super Tuesday. The money made GW a lock before the primaries ever began, money that had never previously accrued to a candidate until after he had proven his electoral viabilty as a presidential candidate.
Securing the sanitization of his military records and whatever other records that may have existed, careful handling and coaching of the candidate, the use of sophisticated tactics greatly refined in the last election, and surviving a scare when some records did come to light, those wishing to take permanent control over the government have now succeeded in twice electing a person who is essentially an unknown mediocrity to the highest office in the land.
What does this mean? It means that those who initiated this strategy have taken over permanent control of the US government.
Re: I disagree.
Is this for real? Did Terry McAuliffe write this?
The econ is crashed? Try reading a newspaper. You're clueless. As for the deficit, IT'S THE FIFTH HIGHEST, not the highest. So please don't lie when making a point. And the tax cuts only shave off about 5% or less of what the govt. will take in over 10 years. Hardly a cause for concern, eh? Also, what about when you pay more in taxes you get more of a cut don't you understand?
What enviro protections have been rolled back? Go read Gregg Easterbrook of The New Republic. He intensely disagrees.
Gay Marriage Amendment. Sorry, but Bill Clinton ended the gay marriage dream when he signed the Def. of Marriage Act.
Pseudo-science? Like what? Is Bush practicing Alchemy or something? Perhaps physiognomy? Just wondering.
Re: The Opinions of Brilliant Idiots
Dude, the poll is bogus. No reputable HISTORIAN would give his thoughts on how the PRESENT will be interpreted by FUTURE generations.
Also, this is all the feckless Left has left: just lie about anything the right does, then when the right questions/attacks back, the Left holds up their collective nose and merely responds: Just what we thought. You're too stupid to understand.
Re: Bush's record
“I say what I mean and mean what I say”
“ Promises made-Promises kept”
“When I make up my mind it stays made up”
“I do not take cues from anyone”
“You can’t say one thing and do another”
“Trust me I’m a straight shooter”
“I’m the commander, I don’t need to explain, I do not need to explain why I say
things”
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1.Osama Bin Laden is my number one priority. (at least this week)
2. We need an Office of Strategic Influence (Next decade maybe)
3. I will follow the UN Resolution as long as it takes-10-27-02
10-31-02—The UN needs to act now
2-13-03—The UN needs to show courage (like I did during Vietnam.)
4. I am a strong believer in Fair Trade—(except steel and softwood lumber) (votes first)
Ed Crane—Co-Founder and President of The Cato Institute-“Everything this
Administration does is political”
5, We do not need for the Homeland Security Department to be a Cabinet position.
I made up my mind on it. Boston Globe—6-9-02 “Bush Flip Flop”
6. I will get Osama Bin Laden “Dead or Alive”—(go get em cowboy)—5-13-02-(“I don’t know where he is, I have no idea and I really don’t care.) (It’s not that important. It’s not out first priority”) (“I say what I mean”). (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”).
7. I will use the bully pulpit with OPEC. (Sic em bulldog my gas now 1.65 per gallon)
Supply went down and Prices went up and (“This is just the Free Market at Work”)
8. I will never apologize to the Chinese for “stealing our plane”. Please guys! Be nice.
Return our plane. “I regret it”
9. I mean what I say—“We can expect an attack”. Each month warning. When BOY?
10. Wash. Post-2-8-03—Bush seeking a promise from IRAN (Evil) for humanitarian help
in event a slaughter is done in Afghan. (Sounds like Reagan?)
11. NYT-1-23-03—Bush (Man of steel will) “rescinding” old policy and implementing a new policy that allows managed care organizations to limit and restrict coverage of emergency services for poor people on Medicaid. This was after criticizing HMO.s for refusal to allow treatment. If this is a Devout Christian I am Jesus Christ.
12. We will not negotiate with North Korea. Wash Post 1-16-03—Bush is now willing to consider agricultural and energy aid. (Hold on! This is EVIL of axis)
13.Individual investors who borrow money to buy dividend-paying stocks should be penalized. (Gosh! What did I say—I did not mean it) NYT 2-5-03
14. I mean what I say until yelling starts. Military pay increase of 2% then 4%.
Stars & Stripes-12-30-02—Bush asked Defense Dept. to lower the announced pay raise for the military from 3.7% to 2%. Finally got 4 in 2004 budget.
“I am tired of all the Lying and Deception”—Amen! Halleluiah! Then stop it Boy.
15.I mean what I say—I am the education president. Please. First budget increased by 1,5% which had averaged 7% increase per year over five years. (Sounds like Clinton were the educated educator to me.)
16.Wash Post-12-2-02—In June 2002 Bush promised 500 Million to fight mother-child transmission of Aids . In Aug he vetoed the first transfer of the 500 million. In 111 days since his promise 222,000 babies have been infected with Aids. (I wonder if Jesus Christ is tossing in his bed)
17.“Secretary O’Neill is doing a good job. The economy is improving. I have faith in him”. (Your faith lasts two weeks boy)
18.The Homeland Security Bio-Terrorism Bill is too expensive. I will veto it. An Ok is not a veto boy.
(I mean what I say” but maybe I will not this time.)
19. I do not approve of an Independent Investigation of 9-11. (“I mean what I say” but—yelling is too loud).
20.I am against international money laundering controls. (9-11—“I changed my steel mind”) They may catch daddy.
21.We will have major social security changes. Wash Post. 11-11-01—Andrew Card on Meet the Press on 11-10-02 “I am not sure we will reform it” This was a Centerpiece of his campaign..
22.-12-30-02—We will not tolerate a North Korean nuclear arsenal. (Act nice guys if you want our $$$)
23.We do not hit civilian targets(in Afghan). There is no evidence. (Red Cross building not civilian—Veterans Hospital is military—Warlord Party heading to Kabul to celebrate was armed with .22 rifles—Wedding Party was violent and firing in the air at our planes 20,000 feet above them)
24.Wash Posr-11-15-02—“If you are not happy with the administration’s policy toward Iraq at any given moment just wait a week or two. A new policy, more to your liking, is bound to appear”.
A. Go it alone week
B. Let us wait for UN week
C. “Regime change” is goal
D. remove wmd is goal
E. Secretary of State is nor speaking for the president
F. Attorney General is not speaking for the administration.
G. I am sick and tired of this waffling and waiting.
25.Steel Tariff—I really did not mean that much. I angered some people. Reduce it.
(When I make up my mind it stays made up)
26.Carbon Dioxide is a power plant pollutant I will control.. (Oh! It will be too costly to my energy contributors so forget it suckers—cough cough)
27.Reuters-6-26-02—‘I have confidence in the Palestinians when they understand we are saying they must make the right decisions”—“I can assure you we will not be putting money into a society which is not transparent and which is corrupt”.
(Was he referring to his administration? Sounds like it—transparent—corrupt)
28.I am against human cloning in any form. (well, not quite “any”)
29.“I knew nothing about dangers of 9-11”. Eight months later. “I knew a damn bunch (but I was too busy on Vacation and looking for more to blame on that President who stomped my dad. Darn it is tough being dumb, inarticulate and following such a brain and great success)
30.“I am in excellent physical condition.” (Darn, staying up till midnight in Paris zapped all my energy—Boy—try conditioning your mind))
31.I am on top of everything. (Why did you say twice on TV—“I am not in control the Pentagon is running the War (Afghan)—You have a White House base—same as Al Qaeda. Only more secretive)
32.I will veto bill increasing benefits for disabled military retirees (Yep!He was war hero.. 6-20-02 in Wash Post. I do not change my mind. Until 2004 Budget).
33.-6-14-02—released 23,653 of ”cherry picked” Reagan papers after refusing to do it. “When I make up my mind it stays made up” Is this BOY real ?”
34.I mean what I say—‘I will provide 100 million to help preserve the Rain Forest”
35.Budgeted funds for his dad’s Crusader cannon then demanded that Congress kill the big sucker.
36. Airline Security is very important to me. Then, why did you fight so hard to keep guns out of cockpits?
37.Barred part-time Mexican and Canadian students from U.S. schools after 9-11. Then, after howls reversed his decision. “When I make up my mind”
38.Simon (candidate for Gov. of California). “He is a breath of fresh air.”
Bush sho hated that California Smog for he avoided Simon while in his presence.
39.“I will not engage in bailing out countries.” 30 billion to Brazil just a tip?
40.NY Times-Richard Stevenson-2-14-03—“Bush eases Ban on AIDS money to pro-abortion groups abroad.. What will he tell Falwell?
41.-March 6—“We will call for a UN Security Council vote.” Geo. Bush
March 13—“There may be no vote” Colin Powell
NY TIMES-“Bush promises to adopt peace plan”. The Guardian-“Bush reversed his previous insistence that the Middle East Peace effort must wait till after Iraq SLAUGHTERAMA
42.NY TIMES--Edmund L. Andrwews-2-26-03—Less than a month after President Bush proposed a radical overhaul and expansion of individual retirement and savings account the White House has abandoned their idea. (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”) (“Promises made promises kept”) (“I say what I mean and mean what I say”)
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43. NY Times-Patrick e. Tyler-5-17-03—“In reversal, plan for Iraqi self rule by June 1 put off indefinitely. “When I make up my mind(scorched?) it stays made up”? Sho!
44.BIG WAFFLE—Washington Post-8-19-03-Dana Milbank & Bradley Graham—
“Bush revises view on combat in Iraq”.---May I on USS Desertion he said-- “Combat Operations are over”.. Now—“Actually, Major military operations continue because we still have combat operations going on”. Is this boy of scorched brain or what?
45. TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM ZAPPED BY BUSH. I am pissed off. Big time. In 2000 campaign Bush promised President Wendy Koop to expand it. His aides asked President Wendy Koop to quadruple it. . On July 11,2003 she got a letter “We regret to inform you your application was not selected for funding”. Gone. Zapped totally. Bush is one of sorriest not just worst in history. Read TIME—8-17-03. Joe Klein article headed “WHO KILLED TEACH FOR AMERICA”? Sorry, but I am so furious I have difficulty writing. I do not like to curse but xxxxxxx.
45.OBL not priority or is he?
A 9-13-01—“The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him”.
B. 9-17-01—I want justice. Wanted :Dead or alive.”
C 12-28-01—“Listen awhileago I said to the american people our objective is more than Bin Laden—Press pool in chapel on ranch
D. 3-13-02 “I am truly not that concerned about him.”The New American 4-8-02
E. 3-13-02—“I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” Wow!
46. Bush told bob Woodward in his book “Bush War” that “he didn’t feel that sense of urgency” about Al Qaeda prior to 9-11”. No claims had great sense of urgency.
47.Nov 2003 Bush made highly touted speech about spreading democracy in the entire Middle East. NYT reported he backed away after it was denounced by Egypt Mubarak and Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.
48. 2-2-04 Budget Director Bolton-“we will not need additional funds for 04.”
5-5-04 Bush “I am requesting that Congress establish a 25 Billion contingency reserve ”
49. 3-9-04 Press Secretary McClellan-“Condoleeza Rice will not testify before 9-11 commission it is matter of principle.” President Bush on 3-30-94 “Dr. Rice will testify.”
50. 3-19-02 Ari Fleischer-“Creating a Cabinet Office will not solve the problem.”
6-6-02 President Bush “Tonight I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single permanent department securing the homeland of America.”
51. NYT 1-29-04 “Bush resists outside investigation on WMD intelligence failure.”
2-6-04 Bush “Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, to look at American intelligence capabilities.”
52. Wash Post-1-19-04-“Bush opposes extension of time for 9-11 commission.”
CNN-2-4-04---“Bush supports time extension for 9-11 commission.”
53.NYTimes 2-26-04-Bush limits testimony to one hour.”
Spokesman McClellan-3-10-04 “Bush sets no time limit for testimony.”
54.Larry King Live 2-15-00 Bush says Gay Marriage is a state issue.
2-24-04-Bush “Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, an amendment to our constitution defining andprot4cting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife.”
55. 3-6-03 Bush vows to have a UN vote no matter what 3-18-03-Wash Post-“Bush withdraws request for UN vote.”
56. Columbia Journalism Review—Bush vetoed Patients Bill Of Rights as Governor but boasted how he got it passed. Now, flip flop to double straddle. He touted the Texas law as super duper.
When a challenge to the Texas Law went before Supreme Court Bush joined with two HMO’s in opposing the law. Could it be because the HMO’s are Pioneers in his campaign. Doesn’t this man have any honor or integrity?
57.Remove troops from Korea. A proposal by Cheney. Bush on 3-13-02 “There is no question we have obligations around the world, which we will keep. There is a major obligation for the 37,000 troops in South Korea. It is an obligation that is an important obligation. I know it is important and we will keep that obligation.
US Newswire-8-19-04.
58. Speech in Michigan 8-16-04—“We have got to use our resources wisely, like water
It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin.. My position is clear : we are never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water.”
Per Associated Press in July 2001 Bush said “I want to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien about piping Great Lakes water to the west and southwest. A lot of people don’t need the water, but when you head South and West, we do need it.”
AP 7-19-01—White House release 7-17-01 “remarks by the President in Roundtable interview with Foreign Press.
59. Cheney in Elko, Nevada 8-14-04 “Kerry recommended sensitivity for terrorists. No war was ever won by sensitivity”. Interview with Hugh Hewitt—8-12-04—“From the standpoint of the shrine (Najah), obviously it is a sensitive area, and we are very much aware of it’s sensitivity.” The Daily Howler-8-17-04
60. NYTimes-8-31-04---
April 13,2004—“Can you ever win the war on terror? Of course you can.”
July 19,2004----“I have a clear vision and a strategy to win the war on terror.”
August 30,2004—“I don’t think you can win the war on terror”
“I say what I Mean and Mean what I say”
“When I make up my mind it stays made up.”
IS THIS PERSON SANE?
61. March 5,2000—on CBS Face the Nation—Independent group attacking his opponent John McCain---Bush said: ‘That is what freedom of speech is all about. People have the right to do what they want to do, under the-under the First Amendment in America.
August 23,2004 Bush said: “the practice of independent groups to run smear ads is bad for the system. They should be banned.”
From Media Matters 8-27-04 TRUST ME—I SAY WHAT I MEAN AND MEAN WHAT I SAY sho nuff
62.BIGGIE WAFFLE—8-28-04 Interview Bush said “I don’t think we can win it (war on error) but I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world-let’s put it that way.” Bush said innumerable times “we will win the war on terror”. Many times. www.permalink 8-31-04
Does this person understand anything he says?
63. What a Jerk! Signs Bill today (3-21-05) which stops removal of Life Support for 41 year old lady. Yet, Signed law in Texas to allow removal of Life-Support due to big hospital costs.
Clarence Swinney-political historian-burlington nc www.cwswinney@netzero.net
Super List—172 Waffles—www.compassiongate.com
The Worst President Ever
I don't think America will be able to restore its good name in the eyes of the world until this Administration stands trial and answers for its crimes.
Re: HISTORIANS vs GEORGE W. BUSH - HNN Special
Everyone who was anyone knew that the USA/USSR Cold War would only be resolved once we clarified our differences and came to the negotiating table, and this "cowboy" president was doing nothing but pushing that time farther and farther away.
And he tried to cut taxes on the 70% income tax bracket to INCREASE government tax receipts from those same people. Obvious idiocy that has no possibility of working, because the economy is never affected or altered based on taxes. If you want to take in twice as much, just double taxes and you'll be there...
Oh, yes, all of the above was said during Reagan by various people, and all is obviously flawed in many significant ways. I could go on, but it seems unnecessary as very few believe any of the previous today.
Perhaps historians will do better once they gain the perspective of having the events of today be "historical".
Re: Need some legal background?
Re: Historical analysis of the present is inaccurate
Presumbly if "liberal" was so correlated with "smart", then you would see similar dominance by the "liberal" ideology for say corporate executives as you see for historians. Self-interest goes a long ways to explaining things, IMHO.
Re: Contradictions
No significant terrorist attacks have occured on US soil since 9/11.
He failed to control spending and the magnitude of tax cuts seems unwise, but he is addressing Social Security which is probably one of the worst things to come out of the New Deal era. IMHO, we should just end the program and pay out such obligations as have accrued. Retirees these days are a lot richer (excluding Social Security) than they were in the 30's when the program was created. We aren't justified in forcing a couple hundred million people to enter and pay for a program when we really just need something that covers the neediest few percent.
People like Mr. McElvaine who talk of the "3 million" jobs lost by Bush or the decline in the stock market have no concept of what really happened. Yes, a third of the value of publically traded companies vanished over two years. Losing 3 million jobs is about the right speed for such an loss of wealth. The point? Who pumped the stock markets up to that point? It wasn't Bush. Plus the decline started (March 2000) more than six months prior to Bush getting reelected, and was nine months old by the time he actually entered office. I haven't been remotely impressed by Bush's economic incentives, but at least he kept Greenspan around.
Even now, the budget deficit, taxes, etc aren't a significant fraction of the US's GDP compared to other OECD countries. So saying we're on the "brink of bankruptcy" is highly misleading.
Finally, I find global opinion to be pretty worthless. The problem is that it comes and goes so easily. You can't keep it or use it for very long. He lost a lot when he backtracked on the harmful Kyoto treaty (too bad it got ratified anyway).
You're a jackass! No, you're a jackass!
A foreign perspective
The majority of governments in the world are ruled by incompetent, power hungry oligarchies who care about foreigners about as far as they can throw them. Canadians for example, have not gone to Iraq. Of course, we've since discovered that the former Prime Minister's (who made the decision) son-in-law had an oil deal with Saddam Hussien for billions of dollars. The current Prime Minster had a million dollars of Saddams money invested in a company he owned. We found that even if we did have the moral surety to help America build a stronger coalition in Iraq, we couldn't because our armed forces have been castrated by two decades of Liberal governments.
On the face of things, Canadians seemed very angry about the whole Iraq war thing, very anti-Bush and whatnot.
This is not a bad thing.
Bashing America is Canadians second favorite activity (first favorite since the hockey season was cancelled). In fact, from travelling the world, I've noticed that most people enjoy bashing America. It isn't a real measure of America's success or failure. Popular anti-Americanism is just a way to fit in for most people. It's a social activity. Very few stop to formulate an opinion, they just acquire one, compliments of the Naomi Klein pop-culture.
The big failures of Bush from a "I vist Michigan every year" standpoint are: limp-dick "faith-based initiatives", the Patriot Act(which I can sympathize with at least, a terrorist was caught at the border crossing coming from the city I was born in, most of the provisions in it seem very reasonable), the either incompetence or plain stupidity of the NCLB and the failure to moderate an increasingly polarized country.
If anything that I think history will remember Bush by, the last is the most important. During the last four years, Americans have become deeply split over his administration and over this war. While I agree with the war, the domestic "big-yet-small government" approach seems just a little silly. But that doesn't matter, 'cause I'm not an American. What does matter is the first superpower to ever have a real sense of decency is breaking down into this emmense unsustainable red-state/blue-state divide.
Good luck Bush. You'll need it. And so will America.
voting records of historians polled
Of course, if that data wasn't recorded, just go back and let us know the numbers of those historians that voted for Bush and those who didn't.
I expect some supercilious dismissal of the idea. The real reason for dismissing it would probably be that it would expose the blatant bias of these so-called historians.
Get the Facts straight before you evaluate
-Worst job loss in first 2 1/2 years since Hoover
How can historians be ignorant of the fact that the economy was in recession on Januay 23, 2001, (so says the National Bureau of Economic Research), the NASDAQ was down over 50% from its March 2000 high, dot com companies were burning through capital received from venture capitalists and Wall Street at an unprecedented rate, literally hundreds of public corporations were fraudulently overstating their earnings (Enron, World Com, AOL, Global Crossing, Tyco, Xerox, etc. all had to restate earnings dating back to the 1990's), Wall Street allowed its massive conflicts of interest to color its stock analysis, approximately 1.5 million of the jobs lost in Bush's first term were lost by December 2001 (two months into the first fiscal year of Bush's Presidency and before any of his tax cuts had even taken effect), a significant majority of the job losses were created during the worst stock market bubble in American history and would have been lost no matter who occupied the White House because most dot com's formed in the 1990's never earned a dime. Some economists estimate that just short of 1 million jobs were lost as a direct result of 9/11 (the planning and preparation for which began in the February 2000). Additionally, there have been well over a hundred thousand jobs lost as a direct result of NAFTA and other trade agreements entered into by the Clinton Administration. These agreements were hailed by Clinton sycophants as an essential part of his legacy. Well, in the words of Ward Churchill, those chickens have come home to roost becasue the impact of his predecessor's policies is being felt now. Bush didn't have anything to do with it.
Finally, correlation is not the same thing as causation. There are many statments by historians which dogmatically conclude Bush was responsible for job losses, but I didn't see a single fact supporting those conclusions. As a matter of fact, Bush's tax cuts ameliorated the impact of the recession. You don't have to take my word for it, Alan Greenspan attested to this fact before Congress several times. Total household wealth in the USA is currently at the highest level it has ever been. Home ownership is now at the highest level ever in the history of this country. Unemployment is below the historical average since WWII, inflation is significantly below the historical average since WWII, etc. etc. You may be historians, but you sure aren't economists.
-Bush has reduced the tax burden on the rich
This is objectively false. The percentage of total income tax revenue paid to the government by the top 20% of income tax payers has increased since Bush' tax cuts took effect. The marginal rates went down for all individual income tax payers. The argument that the tax cuts only helped the rich is nothing more than a talking point intended to inflame class envy amongst those ignorant enough to believe it (aka the Democratic base).
- Foreign Policy and our Allies
Our economy also suffered from the complete foreign policy mess that Bush inherited from Clinton. Terrorism against the US had been metasticizing for ten years without any opposition save a few missles lobbed at Sudanese aspirin factories. Our close allies that you historians are so concerned about were on the dole from Saddam. French politicians in Chirac's administration and journalists were being bribed with UN Oil for Food money while France was actively violating the UN sanction regime by selling Saddam arms. A German citizen was convicted in 1998 of having sold Saddam centrifuge equipment used to create weapons grade nuclear material. Russia also sold arms to Saddam and had its own politicians sucking from the teat of Saddam's oil money. These same European crooks were simultaneously arguing for an end to sanctions all together. I've got news for you geniuses, Mr. Chirac does not have our best interests at heart. He is a Gaulist and he wants to restablish French power on the world stage. He has intended to do this by creating a united European foreign policy (although that isn't looking too likely right now) and undermining the US at every turn. Why do you think he supported French oil contracts with Saddam and recently attempted to sell arms to China? Chirac is an antagonist and it's laughable that historians think that Bush had anything to do with that. He just decided that he wasn't going to be cowed by the French. Plus, anti-Americanism seems to have lost some of its potency as a political tool for Schroeder in Germany.
You historians worry about the increased hatred for America since Bush entered office, yet you conveniently forget about the ill will engendered by decades of support for dictatorial regimes in Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc. And no matter how badly you may want to pin it on the Bushes, that policy began with FDR's support of the House of Saud in the 1930's and was continued by every administration afterwards right through Clinton's eight years. Sandy Berger refused to allow a predator drone to fire on Bin Laden because he didn't want to kill a visiting Saudi prince for God's sake. Bush is the first Western politician who has had the guts to acknowledge that this cynical, realpolitik approach never achieved the stability that served as its justification. And, by the way, you conveneintly forget the anti-globalization riots in Seattle and Genoa which were almost exclusively directed against the US and its impact on the world economy. What about the huge anti-American demonstrations in Greece when Clinton visited there in 2000? We now have Walid Jumblatt, the leader of the Druze Christians in Lebanon, saying thank God for the invasion of Iraq which has given the Lebanese the courage to demand real democracy. You can deny it all you want, but when the very people who are engaging in the Cedar Revolution are explicitly giving Bush credit (as Jumblatt did in the Wash. Post recently) there isn't anything to argue about.
-worst stock market loss in first two years since Hoover
The stock market was in free fall when Bush entered office and 9/11 was the nail in its coffin. Just for comparison's sake, the NASDAQ fell 54% from its March 10, 2000 high to December 31, 2000. The NASDAQ fell 52% in Bush's first two years (1-23-01 through 1-22-03). However, the NASDAQ is still down from where it was when Bush entered office but the difference is that it was massively overvalued then and it isn't now. On January 1, 2001, the avg. PE Ratio for the NASDAQ was 36, now its 15 which is exactly the historical average for the NASDAQ.
- Bottom Line
Bush inherited a mess from Clinton and he has made the best of it. He has been far from perfect however. The irony is that the truly bad policies Bush has pursued are those that liberals advocated. Campaign finance reform is a joke and Bush should have vetoed it. No matter what the liberal whack jobs on the SCOTUS say, McCain Feingold is a blatant violation of the First Amendment. Not to mention the fact that it has resulted in even murkier financing of political entities by billionaires who son't have to disclose teir contributions. The steel tariffs were a joke, but they were championed by one of the pillars of the Democratice party, unions.
I just can't believe that teachers are either so ignorant or deluded by their hatred of Bush that they actually believe the nonsense they spouted off in this survey.
Get the Facts straight before you evaluate
-Worst job loss in first 2 1/2 years since Hoover
How can historians be ignorant of the fact that the economy was in recession on Januay 23, 2001, (so says the National Bureau of Economic Research), the NASDAQ was down over 50% from its March 2000 high, dot com companies were burning through capital received from venture capitalists and Wall Street at an unprecedented rate, literally hundreds of public corporations were fraudulently overstating their earnings (Enron, World Com, AOL, Global Crossing, Tyco, Xerox, etc. all had to restate earnings dating back to the 1990's), Wall Street allowed its massive conflicts of interest to color its stock analysis, approximately 1.5 million of the jobs lost in Bush's first term were lost by December 2001 (two months into the first fiscal year of Bush's Presidency and before any of his tax cuts had even taken effect), a significant majority of the job losses were created during the worst stock market bubble in American history and would have been lost no matter who occupied the White House because most dot com's formed in the 1990's never earned a dime. Some economists estimate that just short of 1 million jobs were lost as a direct result of 9/11 (the planning and preparation for which began in the February 2000). Additionally, there have been well over a hundred thousand jobs lost as a direct result of NAFTA and other trade agreements entered into by the Clinton Administration. These agreements were hailed by Clinton sycophants as an essential part of his legacy. Well, in the words of Ward Churchill, those chickens have come home to roost becasue the impact of his predecessor's policies is being felt now. Bush didn't have anything to do with it.
Finally, correlation is not the same thing as causation. There are many statments by historians which dogmatically conclude Bush was responsible for job losses, but I didn't see a single fact supporting those conclusions. As a matter of fact, Bush's tax cuts ameliorated the impact of the recession. You don't have to take my word for it, Alan Greenspan attested to this fact before Congress several times. Total household wealth in the USA is currently at the highest level it has ever been. Home ownership is now at the highest level ever in the history of this country. Unemployment is below the historical average since WWII, inflation is significantly below the historical average since WWII, etc. etc. You may be historians, but you sure aren't economists.
-Bush has reduced the tax burden on the rich
This is objectively false. The percentage of total income tax revenue paid to the government by the top 20% of income tax payers has increased since Bush' tax cuts took effect. The marginal rates went down for all individual income tax payers. The argument that the tax cuts only helped the rich is nothing more than a talking point intended to inflame class envy amongst those ignorant enough to believe it (aka the Democratic base).
- Foreign Policy and our Allies
Our economy also suffered from the complete foreign policy mess that Bush inherited from Clinton. Terrorism against the US had been metasticizing for ten years without any opposition save a few missles lobbed at Sudanese aspirin factories. Our close allies that you historians are so concerned about were on the dole from Saddam. French politicians in Chirac's administration and journalists were being bribed with UN Oil for Food money while France was actively violating the UN sanction regime by selling Saddam arms. A German citizen was convicted in 1998 of having sold Saddam centrifuge equipment used to create weapons grade nuclear material. Russia also sold arms to Saddam and had its own politicians sucking from the teat of Saddam's oil money. These same European crooks were simultaneously arguing for an end to sanctions all together. I've got news for you geniuses, Mr. Chirac does not have our best interests at heart. He is a Gaulist and he wants to restablish French power on the world stage. He has intended to do this by creating a united European foreign policy (although that isn't looking too likely right now) and undermining the US at every turn. Why do you think he supported French oil contracts with Saddam and recently attempted to sell arms to China? Chirac is an antagonist and it's laughable that historians think that Bush had anything to do with that. He just decided that he wasn't going to be cowed by the French. Plus, anti-Americanism seems to have lost some of its potency as a political tool for Schroeder in Germany.
You historians worry about the increased hatred for America since Bush entered office, yet you conveniently forget about the ill will engendered by decades of support for dictatorial regimes in Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc. And no matter how badly you may want to pin it on the Bushes, that policy began with FDR's support of the House of Saud in the 1930's and was continued by every administration afterwards right through Clinton's eight years. Sandy Berger refused to allow a predator drone to fire on Bin Laden because he didn't want to kill a visiting Saudi prince for God's sake. Bush is the first Western politician who has had the guts to acknowledge that this cynical, realpolitik approach never achieved the stability that served as its justification. And, by the way, you conveneintly forget the anti-globalization riots in Seattle and Genoa which were almost exclusively directed against the US and its impact on the world economy. What about the huge anti-American demonstrations in Greece when Clinton visited there in 2000? We now have Walid Jumblatt, the leader of the Druze Christians in Lebanon, saying thank God for the invasion of Iraq which has given the Lebanese the courage to demand real democracy. You can deny it all you want, but when the very people who are engaging in the Cedar Revolution are explicitly giving Bush credit (as Jumblatt did in the Wash. Post recently) there isn't anything to argue about.
-worst stock market loss in first two years since Hoover
The stock market was in free fall when Bush entered office and 9/11 was the nail in its coffin. Just for comparison's sake, the NASDAQ fell 54% from its March 10, 2000 high to December 31, 2000. The NASDAQ fell 52% in Bush's first two years (1-23-01 through 1-22-03). However, the NASDAQ is still down from where it was when Bush entered office but the difference is that it was massively overvalued then and it isn't now. On January 1, 2001, the avg. PE Ratio for the NASDAQ was 36, now its 15 which is exactly the historical average for the NASDAQ.
- Bottom Line
Bush inherited a mess from Clinton and he has made the best of it. He has been far from perfect however. The irony is that the truly bad policies Bush has pursued are those that liberals advocated. Campaign finance reform is a joke and Bush should have vetoed it. No matter what the liberal whack jobs on the SCOTUS say, McCain Feingold is a blatant violation of the First Amendment. Not to mention the fact that it has resulted in even murkier financing of political entities by billionaires who son't have to disclose teir contributions. The steel tariffs were a joke, but they were championed by one of the pillars of the Democratice party, unions.
I just can't believe that teachers are either so ignorant or deluded by their hatred of Bush that they actually believe the nonsense they spouted off in this survey.
Grow Up!
Clearly some grounding in the disciplines of history does not automatically confer thoughtful perspective and maturity of outlook.