CLINTON AGAINST FREE SPEECH IN DENMARK AS IN CHINA
I came back from teaching only to discover that the former president, who had nothing to say about Yahoo helping China to put a subscriber in jail for being a whistle blower, has plenty to say about a Danish paper publishing offensive cartoons. Clearly he knows who is paying for his new lifestyle. In any case, a man like Clinton will never stand up to dangerous entities like China or Saudi Arabia when he can pick on safe democratic Denmark.
I was going to write shame on him but I know too well the man does not know the meaning of the word.


Somewhat off topic
If the people who made the cartoons have the freedom of speech, how come you condemn others for excercising their right to it?
Lets take two examples from this right now.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm
This is where the cartoons are posted
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004462.htm
Here is what some people believe
I see no difference in free speech here, though you clearly tell the people in the second one that they are sick. Sure, perhaps the one with the severed head is a little off, but they have that right, and by saying it's sick, you are saying they are wrong for expressing their feelings, just as the muslim extremists who are doing stupid things in Denmark because someone produced a picture of their prophet.
That's all I have to say, you're being no better than the people who are doing these things to Denmark by posting that second link I have shared. If we have a right to free speech, then we have a right to free speech. It's not only certain people, and you can't stop it if you don't agree with it. You do not have the right to not be offended.
Ya bitch?
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I do have a question for you. Have you ever read the holy book of the Islamic religion? Just wondering.
And yes, I'm a Christian. I think bible thumpers like you need to step down off your soap box as well and learn to take your head out of your asses and see what's actually going on in the world, not just the country. Look around on some news websites that AREN'T from the USA. You'll see a lot more is going on than you think. "Oh, but we're not allowed to know that, so I'm not going to look," you say. Fine, keep your head up your ass then. I'm a firm believer in natural selection. :0)
DENMARK PENAL CODES AGAINST CARTOONS!
These two laws of Denmark should definitely be implied to the blasphemous cartoons:
“Those who publicly mock or insult the doctrines or worship of any religious community that s legal in this country, will be punished by a fine or incarceration for up to four months.” Penal Code, Section 140
“Any person who publicly or with the intention of dissemination to a wide circle of people makes a statement or imparts other information threatening, insulting or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, color, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation, shall be liable to a fine, simple detention or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.” Penal Code, Section 266B:
Clinton is right!
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Please stop saying things out of stupidity. You make my brain want to cry.
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I agree with you. I think people need to just step back and stop being stupid. A lot of people are talking about how muslims aren't being just and all that crap. Well, ya know what, attacking with words is just as bad, and just provokes even more. If people would open their eyes and understand this concept, perhaps this crap wouldn't happen.
I don't see that being in the plan any time soon. Because, of course, the "war on terror" is still going on, even though our own govermnent is terrorizing us just by putting these thoughts of war by the extremist muslims in our head. Yeah, thanks. I really wanted to be rude to people who probably wouldn't mind being a friend. You're all assholes and need to get the fuck down off your soap box.
/government_rant
Yeah, like I said, I think you're right, even though we may be called Muslims or Jews or Christians, at the end of the day, ALL THE RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME GOD. He's just worshiped in a different way, with a semi-different set of beliefs.
This almost sounds like a catholic-protestant fight. It's starting to piss me off. lol
bush bashing
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/mcclellan-conceals-heart-attack/
Just look at these lies. How can they not see the truth? Cheney said it was only " a beer" when we know everyone who has been stopped by a cop answers that they had just one. Thank god that they didn't do a alcohol level then they would even have more to lie about!! Lets get real
Re: Muslim Madness
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In my world, there is only 1 God. But you're free to believe whatever you want - and I'll try not to disrespect your beliefs. ;-)
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Where I'm coming from respect is something you have to deserve before having, its not something you will get just because of a formal position of yours.
So let me ask you, do you show respect to Zeus (old greek god) or to Odin (old Nordic god), and if not, why not, and if you do, how do you do that if you dont know theirs taboos???
I cant see why I have to know about the rules in every an other religions just to use my right to free speech....
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Every superpower eventually falls. Look to the past, because the past is always repeated by people who make the same mistakes, instead of learning from them. It is happening right now, and I can see the downfall just on the horizon, which disheartens me. It will happen again unless the people in charge learn from the past mistakes of those in charge of earlier superpowers.
get a brain Judith
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An American apologies
Although we foolishly elected this man twice, the world shouldn't be as dumb as to think he has anything of value for it. Afterall, he played around for eight years as the world drifted into chaos. Now a extremely, vocal minority shout hate at the leaders attempting to fix his failures. Bill Clinton's words are just words -- a waste of time. My sincere apology.
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I originally hadn't thought much of Clinton, but have come to truely respect the man as he stands for greater causes of mankind. I also agree with a previous made comment above (#77314) that he's the greatest President since Kennedy.
One can't argue with facts such as the US economy performing well during the Clinton years, and his approval rating being the highest since Eisenhower.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
Muslim Madness
a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds.
Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has
the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim
may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith.
Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006)
enlightened us with the following: "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to
derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do
not share this attitude...". Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into
madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical
of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured,
raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching
the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed
two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics
are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off.
Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".
Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989,
under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph
of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",
"The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.
Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for
these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't
concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short,
"Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight.
Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife,
nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered,
to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."
Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head,
Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997,
and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.
Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...". What kind of religion could convert a
person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about
the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this
latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten
people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people
the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-
types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with
ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is
that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and
chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders
can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you,
for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall
between these cultures begin to come down.
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Well dude, no one has ever shown any proof of that.
In the meantime, most of us have seen PROOF that these events have little to do with muslims and A LOT to do with the need to declare a war, to secure oil reserves, to threaten american people with some sort of martial law etc etc.
So of course, since you ask, we will excuse you, but YOU are the one forgetting something: you forget to open your eyes.
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a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds.
Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has
the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim
may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith.
Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006)
enlightened us with the following: "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to
derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do
not share this attitude...". Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into
madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical
of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured,
raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching
the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed
two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics
are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off.
Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".
Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989,
under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph
of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",
"The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.
Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for
these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't
concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short,
"Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight.
Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife,
nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered,
to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."
Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head,
Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997,
and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.
Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...". What kind of religion could convert a
person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about
the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this
latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten
people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people
the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-
types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with
ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is
that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and
chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders
can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you,
for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall
between these cultures begin to come down.
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Ok, the cartoons were offensive and you are right in saying that not enough thought was put into the idea. You say that they "should've considered the severe consequences". i don't think the Danes considered all Muslims to be terrorists - which is how many are behaving.
Why punish a whole nation for a few peoples mistakes?
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Do your religion contain the notion of logic?
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Facts and truth will not help him.
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It is clear you are a devout liberal, allow me to enlighten you.War is ugly and mistakes will always be made but because the public changes their minds on the war, does not mean cease all action. It is very important to follow through not out of stuburness but wisdom, changing goals/ direction but finishing what was started. if you haven't notice a mass murderer has been taken out and thousands of lives saved. People such as the media, yourself and all the other liberals need to have a coke and a smile and shut the F up and let the GOV take care of the POS'S accordingly.
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Historically, there have other instances when it was demonstrated that the extremist muslims would react this way when they felt that the muslim religion or its historical eader were being mocked. In this case, it is known that muslims don't tolerate idolatry and would take extreme measures to proove their belief. Denmark has no right to hide behind freedom of speech under such scenarios when there are other examples (salman rushdie)that prove this extremist behavior.
I think in this case the reactions are somewhat overblown but when dealing with extremism then this is the reaction that normally results. Again why anyone wants to feed this behavior is beyond me especially with recent events post 9/11.
JUDITH APTER
Again, this is nothing but the right wing going after clinton over another remark or non-remark. It's amazing how this president still gets blamed over everything even after being out of office for 5 years. Does Judith Apter Klinghoffer have any evidence about who is paying for Clinton's lifestyle. I think not! She should really be asking "who is paying for the Bush family lifestyle and wealth?" Our current administration (BUSH) doesn't stand up to China (N.Korea and their "NUCULAR" Weapons) or Saudi Arabia (9/11 and Oil) so why does Clinton need to make statement about how china treated this ONE person. Judith Apter Klingoffer should think long before opening up her trap!
It's Judith who has no shame or knows the meaning of the word.
Re: JUDITH APTER
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Killers go to Hell!!!
Americans will not tolerate Killers.
You know that Thanks to President Bush.
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Waht is left to do with these cowardly and close-minded animals? Strike first before they are given yet another chance to lift their numb heads from underneath their latest hiding place. Oh yes, we are already doing that. More power to those of us "open-minded" enough to realize that this 'strike first' approach is, thus far, our only alternative in effectively dealing with such ignorant and small-minded people. Amen.
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Suicide bombers: what about all the innocent people that have been killed over the past 60 years in Palestine?..and now Iraq, what about those innocent people? what did they do? And if you are calling these "Islamic Extremests" cowardly bombers...why dont you first take a look at how the Israeli's slay the Palestenians with their huge tanks and machine guns while the Palestenians fight back with a couple of stones in their hand. And when the war started in Iraq, the Americans were just bombing the country way up high from their planes and weren't brave enough to get down there and fight. This is what I call "cowardly killing innocent people from underneath their hiding places- slithering back into their holes like an evil snake".
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Funny, because the media HAVE published cartoons defaming Jesus and Moses and Mary and Joseph and anyone else in my belief system. Have I started a war? No. Have I bombed anything? No. It's amazing to me that Christians say they are peaceful and forgiving, then they are slighted and they remain peaceful and forgiving. Yet, certiain extremist Muslims say they are peaceful and forgiving until they are slighted or someone has a different belief. Then they should have an "unmerciful punishment"?! Really? That doesn't sound like mercy or forgiveness to me at all. It's all fun and games until someone draws something on a piece of paper. Be better than that. Don't let someone else dictate your actions. If you say you truly respect other religions, then you should actually follow through and respect them.
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a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds.
Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has
the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim
may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith.
Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006)
enlightened us with the following: "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to
derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do
not share this attitude...". Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into
madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical
of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured,
raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching
the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed
two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics
are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off.
Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".
Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989,
under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph
of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",
"The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.
Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for
these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't
concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short,
"Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight.
Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife,
nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered,
to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."
Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head,
Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997,
and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.
Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...". What kind of religion could convert a
person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about
the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this
latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten
people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people
the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-
types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with
ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is
that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and
chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders
can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you,
for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall
between these cultures begin to come down.
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clinton's spine
what do you say about that ?
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In other words, you're as big a hypocrite as you're claiming Clinton's detractors are.
D.Michael
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