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CLINTON AGAINST FREE SPEECH IN DENMARK AS IN CHINA

I came back from teaching only to discover that the former president, who had nothing to say about Yahoo helping China to put a subscriber in jail for being a whistle blower, has plenty to say about a Danish paper publishing offensive cartoons. Clearly he knows who is paying for his new lifestyle. In any case, a man like Clinton will never stand up to dangerous entities like China or Saudi Arabia when he can pick on safe democratic Denmark.

I was going to write shame on him but I know too well the man does not know the meaning of the word.


Somewhat off topic

I see that this part has become a little off topic itself, so I would like to add my two cents in.

If the people who made the cartoons have the freedom of speech, how come you condemn others for excercising their right to it?

Lets take two examples from this right now.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004413.htm
This is where the cartoons are posted

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004462.htm
Here is what some people believe

I see no difference in free speech here, though you clearly tell the people in the second one that they are sick. Sure, perhaps the one with the severed head is a little off, but they have that right, and by saying it's sick, you are saying they are wrong for expressing their feelings, just as the muslim extremists who are doing stupid things in Denmark because someone produced a picture of their prophet.

That's all I have to say, you're being no better than the people who are doing these things to Denmark by posting that second link I have shared. If we have a right to free speech, then we have a right to free speech. It's not only certain people, and you can't stop it if you don't agree with it. You do not have the right to not be offended.

Ya bitch?

shut up man, you don't know shit about all that stuff. Ya jsut open ya mouth like a bitch thinking ya know the truth. Everything around you is false, encouraging danish cartoon? Like to provoke Muslims? Want war to have peace? Ya a haters? Ya arrogant?Ya just a bitch? Yes, yes, you are. Go buy ya danish cookies and shut the fuck up

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I hope you know that Allah is just the muslim word for God. If you don't, please learn. So by saying there is no Allah, you are saying there is no God. Shame on you.

I do have a question for you. Have you ever read the holy book of the Islamic religion? Just wondering.

And yes, I'm a Christian. I think bible thumpers like you need to step down off your soap box as well and learn to take your head out of your asses and see what's actually going on in the world, not just the country. Look around on some news websites that AREN'T from the USA. You'll see a lot more is going on than you think. "Oh, but we're not allowed to know that, so I'm not going to look," you say. Fine, keep your head up your ass then. I'm a firm believer in natural selection. :0)

DENMARK PENAL CODES AGAINST CARTOONS!

Hey Crusaders...check this out...

These two laws of Denmark should definitely be implied to the blasphemous cartoons:

“Those who publicly mock or insult the doctrines or worship of any religious community that s legal in this country, will be punished by a fine or incarceration for up to four months.” Penal Code, Section 140

“Any person who publicly or with the intention of dissemination to a wide circle of people makes a statement or imparts other information threatening, insulting or degrading a group of persons on account of their race, color, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation, shall be liable to a fine, simple detention or imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.” Penal Code, Section 266B:

Clinton is right!

Free speech ending when others rights began!

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Actually, I do believe it was laws passed WAY BEFORE any president of this time was in office, ya know, about how it's illegal to kill people? I guess that's just in the morality of people once it's a law in a place you live in...

Please stop saying things out of stupidity. You make my brain want to cry.

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You say we all beleave in the same God, I agree, however you are a Muslim and I am a Christian.

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I like you, will you be my friend. :0D

I agree with you. I think people need to just step back and stop being stupid. A lot of people are talking about how muslims aren't being just and all that crap. Well, ya know what, attacking with words is just as bad, and just provokes even more. If people would open their eyes and understand this concept, perhaps this crap wouldn't happen.

I don't see that being in the plan any time soon. Because, of course, the "war on terror" is still going on, even though our own govermnent is terrorizing us just by putting these thoughts of war by the extremist muslims in our head. Yeah, thanks. I really wanted to be rude to people who probably wouldn't mind being a friend. You're all assholes and need to get the fuck down off your soap box.
/government_rant

Yeah, like I said, I think you're right, even though we may be called Muslims or Jews or Christians, at the end of the day, ALL THE RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME GOD. He's just worshiped in a different way, with a semi-different set of beliefs.

This almost sounds like a catholic-protestant fight. It's starting to piss me off. lol

bush bashing

Its amazing that it seems that all of the major newspapers feel that the country has been misled. Why is it that only Sean ohannity and Michelle know the truth. I would like to know why it took Dick Cheney 14 hours to sober up. You would have thought his liver was more up to the job or possibly he had way too many cocktails? What is this with two men hunting with a woman. Where I come from this is usually up to no good. http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/022106P.shtml http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/19/literally-one-beer/
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/14/mcclellan-conceals-heart-attack/

Just look at these lies. How can they not see the truth? Cheney said it was only " a beer" when we know everyone who has been stopped by a cop answers that they had just one. Thank god that they didn't do a alcohol level then they would even have more to lie about!! Lets get real

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Fabulously written.....Thank You

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Just saying it doesn't take a person of Islam to be a terrorist - and there are dangers of painting all Islamic people with the same brush.

In my world, there is only 1 God. But you're free to believe whatever you want - and I'll try not to disrespect your beliefs. ;-)

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well sorry G, but its not that easy to show respect for a religion in Which name I on a daily bacis can see people on my TV shouting "death to all danes, behead all danes, burn all danes" (I'm a dane). Or a religion that says its ok to blow up innocent childeren. Or a religion saying "show no mercy to your enemies".
Where I'm coming from respect is something you have to deserve before having, its not something you will get just because of a formal position of yours.

So let me ask you, do you show respect to Zeus (old greek god) or to Odin (old Nordic god), and if not, why not, and if you do, how do you do that if you dont know theirs taboos???

I cant see why I have to know about the rules in every an other religions just to use my right to free speech....

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You are undoubtedly gay, clinton a brilliant man ? how stupid can you be ? you ever hear the line "I did not have sexual relations..." I could go on and on. In your socialist country he would fit great, here he was impeached for his lies remember ? If that indicates greatness to you then stay in your cloud of liberalism and shame. Redneck billy-boy's comments show his two-faced political drive goes way beyond his realization of freedoms that Americans have fought and died for. America has helped this world many times when it didn't have to do a thing. I suppose you think what Clinton did in Somalia is some how different than what other presidents have done elsewhere. America is hated until needed, and she has always come through. What has your pansy-ass country ever done ? I do wish America would get out of every country and protect our borders especially the one you are on the other side of pointing your finger from. And when some country needs help you can lead your country to help them. Fat chance eh ? Tell me oh wise one, why doesn't your country do more for the world, and why is it,the first one the world EXPECTS to help always the USA ?

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Something to add as well:
Every superpower eventually falls. Look to the past, because the past is always repeated by people who make the same mistakes, instead of learning from them. It is happening right now, and I can see the downfall just on the horizon, which disheartens me. It will happen again unless the people in charge learn from the past mistakes of those in charge of earlier superpowers.

get a brain Judith

you sound like a moron

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Lady - your comment showed neither respect nor intelligence.

An American apologies


Although we foolishly elected this man twice, the world shouldn't be as dumb as to think he has anything of value for it. Afterall, he played around for eight years as the world drifted into chaos. Now a extremely, vocal minority shout hate at the leaders attempting to fix his failures. Bill Clinton's words are just words -- a waste of time. My sincere apology.

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Please only appologize for voting in Bush (and fiends).

I originally hadn't thought much of Clinton, but have come to truely respect the man as he stands for greater causes of mankind. I also agree with a previous made comment above (#77314) that he's the greatest President since Kennedy.

One can't argue with facts such as the US economy performing well during the Clinton years, and his approval rating being the highest since Eisenhower.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

Muslim Madness

In the aftermath of the Danish cartoon fiasco, two things are abundantly clear. First, that Islam continues to be
a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds.
Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has
the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim
may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith.
Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006)
enlightened us with the following: "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to
derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do
not share this attitude...". Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into
madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical
of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured,

raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching
the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed
two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics
are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off.
Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".

Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989,

under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph



of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",
"The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.

Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for

these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't





concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short,
"Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight.
Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife,
nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered,
to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."






Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head,
Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997,
and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.
Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...". What kind of religion could convert a
person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about
the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this
latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten
people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people
the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-
types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with
ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is
that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and
chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders
can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you,
for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall
between these cultures begin to come down.

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<<excuse me but did you forget something 911/ all those people were just going to their jobs, when some evil satanic madman with no mercy no heart no morals no love and no GOD, decided to>>

Well dude, no one has ever shown any proof of that.

In the meantime, most of us have seen PROOF that these events have little to do with muslims and A LOT to do with the need to declare a war, to secure oil reserves, to threaten american people with some sort of martial law etc etc.

So of course, since you ask, we will excuse you, but YOU are the one forgetting something: you forget to open your eyes.

Re: Free speech vs. religious respect

In the aftermath of the Danish cartoon fiasco, two things are abundantly clear. First, that Islam continues to be
a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds.
Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has
the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim
may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith.
Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006)
enlightened us with the following: "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to
derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do
not share this attitude...". Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into
madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical
of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured,

raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching
the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed
two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics
are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off.
Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".

Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989,

under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph



of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",
"The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.

Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for

these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't





concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short,
"Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight.
Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife,
nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered,
to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."






Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head,
Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997,
and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.
Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...". What kind of religion could convert a
person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about
the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this
latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten
people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people
the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-
types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with
ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is
that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and
chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders
can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you,
for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall
between these cultures begin to come down.

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Cartoons were Offensive. IF cartoonist could continue stay with his job in that company means not only cartoonist faulty a whole understanding of a nation guilty. Secondly Muslims believe Abraham, Moses and Jesus were past prophets before Muhammad. Therefore they can not against or rude to this reality. If so they`ll be exported from Islam. After that guilt they`ll be no muslim anymore. That is the rule of Islam. We are not disrespect to other religions. Thirdly if Jesus was drawed same way in a cartoon whereever in the world, I`m sure all Europe was filling the streets demanding apology. Think again Mel Gibson storied what Jews people did to Jesus when he was alive. He story all the reality but after that some of christians and whole Jews protest the movie. You think muslims do not have the right of defence? Moreover infront of a journalism understanding like they can swear to whoever`s honor or respect and they do not need to pay any. No Limitless journalism. Yes to Limitless researcher journalism that brings the fact from behind all stealth doors. Building nations work of care, share and respect to each other. Don`t forget that!

Free speech vs. religious respect

To me, freedom of speech is good, but if it conflics with religious aspects I think it should be forbidden. Islam forbids showing pictures or images of Prophet Muhammad in any form. The Denmark newspaper should've considered the severe consequences before publishing those pictures! Not only did the newspaper publish the pictures of Prophet Muhammade, but those pictures are also offensive!!! I wouldn't be surprised if rage among the muslims are exploding everywhere right now.

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Listen, I don't believe in your Muhammad, and you cant tell me to do what I want to inside this free europe! Until you have a woman-imam heading national sermons in Saudi Arabia - shut up!

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i agree that there should be respect for religious beliefs, but why should the Islamic people not respect the beliefs of others? Why should other countries, like Denmark, be forced to adopt the principles of another nation?
Ok, the cartoons were offensive and you are right in saying that not enough thought was put into the idea. You say that they "should've considered the severe consequences". i don't think the Danes considered all Muslims to be terrorists - which is how many are behaving.
Why punish a whole nation for a few peoples mistakes?

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If someone suggests that Muhammad has something to do with terror - why then, go out and burn, beat up, and threat people with beheading: didn't you just prove the cartoons point there?

Do your religion contain the notion of logic?

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YOU ARE UNDOUBTEDLY GAY. Everywhere you look and listen people make fun of religeons, other people, countries etc. For the islamonazi's to react this way proves their lack of education, unbridled and blind fanaticism, not to mention their total hypocracy. Moreover to think clinton was a great president underminds the office...or did you forget he was impeached ?

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Peace, my liberal friend, is not the absence of war but the absence of injustice. I believe when this is all over with you liberals will eat your words.There has just been a video submitted in Sadams' trial of him, planning with his thugs, to obtain weapons of mass destruction and use it on the USA. Now after what happened in NY NY (or did you forget 9/11, there was a terrorist attack on the trade centers back in 01) we know that if they really want to do harm to us they do not need weapons of mass destruction, just a few planes(or busses or traines or a virus) and some mad men willing to kill themselves. We will NEVER NEVER understand their way of thinking, it is not in us. But, we had better watch, listen and act now before it is to late. The worse of all evils is for good men to do nothing.

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This person is stuck on stupid!
Facts and truth will not help him.

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AL M
It is clear you are a devout liberal, allow me to enlighten you.War is ugly and mistakes will always be made but because the public changes their minds on the war, does not mean cease all action. It is very important to follow through not out of stuburness but wisdom, changing goals/ direction but finishing what was started. if you haven't notice a mass murderer has been taken out and thousands of lives saved. People such as the media, yourself and all the other liberals need to have a coke and a smile and shut the F up and let the GOV take care of the POS'S accordingly.

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I am totally disgusted at the level of reaction that these cartoons have caused, but Denmark is not without blame.
Historically, there have other instances when it was demonstrated that the extremist muslims would react this way when they felt that the muslim religion or its historical eader were being mocked. In this case, it is known that muslims don't tolerate idolatry and would take extreme measures to proove their belief. Denmark has no right to hide behind freedom of speech under such scenarios when there are other examples (salman rushdie)that prove this extremist behavior.

I think in this case the reactions are somewhat overblown but when dealing with extremism then this is the reaction that normally results. Again why anyone wants to feed this behavior is beyond me especially with recent events post 9/11.

JUDITH APTER

Why should Clinton make a speech about an isolated incident like a man being sent to jail in china BUT not make a statement about an world changing incident as large as these cartoons.
Again, this is nothing but the right wing going after clinton over another remark or non-remark. It's amazing how this president still gets blamed over everything even after being out of office for 5 years. Does Judith Apter Klinghoffer have any evidence about who is paying for Clinton's lifestyle. I think not! She should really be asking "who is paying for the Bush family lifestyle and wealth?" Our current administration (BUSH) doesn't stand up to China (N.Korea and their "NUCULAR" Weapons) or Saudi Arabia (9/11 and Oil) so why does Clinton need to make statement about how china treated this ONE person. Judith Apter Klingoffer should think long before opening up her trap!

It's Judith who has no shame or knows the meaning of the word.

Re: JUDITH APTER

Well - I can tell you a lot of eurpopean executives have been paying for his lifestyle - but not anymore... you dont invite Mugabe either, do you?

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excuse me but did you forget something 911/ all those people were just going to their jobs, when some evil satanic madman with no mercy no heart no morals no love and no GOD, decided to plow our own planes into the trade centers. What kind of relgion is this but pure satantic cursed evil and demonic straight from hell. And that is where all radical murderous,evil muslims will end up and there will be no virgins there either only fire and thirst.

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Amen to that!

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Thank you Mark Harris

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There is only one side , suicide bombers are killers!!
Killers go to Hell!!!
Americans will not tolerate Killers.
You know that Thanks to President Bush.

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The intolerance the Islamic extremists show with their barbaric killing, stems from a mind not quite developed enough to comprehend any 'belief' but their own.. couple this narrow-mindedness with endless teachings (from birth) that everyone who believes differently than themselves are evil-- and ironically, you get pure evil. Which is what these animals are (the Islamic Extremests). They haven't the mentality to even attempt to understand another's beleif system, so there is no point in arguing with such ignorance-- they are lost in their own pile of garbage and are evidently content on forever using their stupid 'belief system' as an excuse to vent their hatred, jealosy and uncontrolled anger by cowardly bombing innocent people from underneath their hiding places (cowards always hide- then and only then strike- slithering back into their holes like an evil snake).
Waht is left to do with these cowardly and close-minded animals? Strike first before they are given yet another chance to lift their numb heads from underneath their latest hiding place. Oh yes, we are already doing that. More power to those of us "open-minded" enough to realize that this 'strike first' approach is, thus far, our only alternative in effectively dealing with such ignorant and small-minded people. Amen.

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I totally agree with sahar.
Suicide bombers: what about all the innocent people that have been killed over the past 60 years in Palestine?..and now Iraq, what about those innocent people? what did they do? And if you are calling these "Islamic Extremests" cowardly bombers...why dont you first take a look at how the Israeli's slay the Palestenians with their huge tanks and machine guns while the Palestenians fight back with a couple of stones in their hand. And when the war started in Iraq, the Americans were just bombing the country way up high from their planes and weren't brave enough to get down there and fight. This is what I call "cowardly killing innocent people from underneath their hiding places- slithering back into their holes like an evil snake".

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Iman Al-Sallal -
Funny, because the media HAVE published cartoons defaming Jesus and Moses and Mary and Joseph and anyone else in my belief system. Have I started a war? No. Have I bombed anything? No. It's amazing to me that Christians say they are peaceful and forgiving, then they are slighted and they remain peaceful and forgiving. Yet, certiain extremist Muslims say they are peaceful and forgiving until they are slighted or someone has a different belief. Then they should have an "unmerciful punishment"?! Really? That doesn't sound like mercy or forgiveness to me at all. It's all fun and games until someone draws something on a piece of paper. Be better than that. Don't let someone else dictate your actions. If you say you truly respect other religions, then you should actually follow through and respect them.

Re: Clinton vs. free speech

In the aftermath of the Danish cartoon fiasco, two things are abundantly clear. First, that Islam continues to be
a very dangerous and violent religion. Secondly, the hypocrisy of a majority of Muslims apparently knows no bounds.
Even those that openly agree with freedoms of speech and press are quick to condemn anyone that actually has
the audacity to excercise either. "Responsibility' and "restraint" are cautioned where the chance of offending a Muslim
may arise. We are also lectured, on both sides, to be more "tolerant" toward those of the Islamic faith.
Recently, a letter in the Boston Globe by Tariq Ramadan (" At the crossroad of Islam, the West", Feb.9,2006)
enlightened us with the following: "...Western societies, unlike muslim-majority countries, have grown accustomed to
derision, irony, and criticism of religious symbols, the Pope, Jesus Christ, and even God. Even though Muslims do
not share this attitude...". Mr. Ramadan is either delusional or simply blinded by a religion that has turned so many into
madmen, as evidenced in the last four months of violence, over a cartoon drawing.
Let us start with the fact that not only are Muslims throughout the Middle East and their Governments openly critical
of other religions, they routinely persecute those that worship outside the Islamic faith. Christians are detained, tortured,

raped, executed. Their homes are ransacked and often destroyed. In 2000, Arabs demolished Joseph's tomb, torching
the ancient shrine and murdering a rabbi who tried to save a Torah from the flames. In 2001, the Taliban destroyed
two priceless 1500 year old statues of Buddha in a wonderful example of tolerance. It is also a fact that radical Islamics
are among the most intolerant people on the planet, yet the rest of the non-Muslim world should walk on eggshells
lest we offend their thin-skinned sensibilities. Say something derogatory about Mohammed? They'll cut your head off.
Handle the Koran the wrong way? They'll cut off your hands. This is a classic example of, " Do as I say, not as I do".

Non-Islamic worshipers have endured far worse than unflattering cartoons over the years. For example, in 1989,

under the guise of "art", photographer Andres Serrano shocked and outraged many Christians with a photograph



of a crucifix submerged in urine called, "Piss Christ". Other offensive books and movies, "The last temptation of Christ",
"The passion of the Christ", and "The DaVinci Code", have upset and insulted Christians and Jews worldwide.

Were buildings burned? People killed in violent protests? Demands for the executions of the people responsible for

these blasphemies? None.Civilized people do not do such things. Unfortunately for Theo Van Gogh, he didn't





concern himself with the ramifications of insulting the Muslim world. After releasing his 10 minute movie-short,
"Submission", which criticized the treatment of Muslim women under Islam, he was brutally murdered in broad daylight.
Shot repeatedly and begging for his life, Mohammed Bouyeri proceeded to hack at Van Gogh's throat with a large knife,
nearly decapitating him. He then attached a 5 page letter of protest, with a list of prominent Dutch citizens to be murdered,
to Van Gogh's chest with the same knife. Bouyeri, in a courtroom confession, vowed to repeat this act, if given the chance.
Clutching a Koran, he stated, " The law compels me to chop off the head of anyone who insults Allah or the prophet."






Over sixteen years since he was condemned to death by Ayatollah Khomeini, with a million dollar bounty on his head,
Salman Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" still guarantees someone a healthy stipend for his death. (It was doubled in 1997,
and increased to 2.8 million in 1999 by Ayatollah Sanei.) Even the former peace-loving 70's pop idol, Cat Stevens (a.k.a.
Yusuf Islam), writer of such ballads as "Peace Train", and "Morning has broken", supported the Fatwa against Rushdie,
"...the Qur'an makes it clear, if someone defames the prophet, then he must die...". What kind of religion could convert a
person from peace,love and freedom for all, to condoning murder over written words?
Tolerance and respect are reciprocal in life. You get what you give, as it is said. Muslim leaders "worry" about
the widening chasm betweem Islam and the West. Every incident that plays itself out on the world stage, as with this
latest cartoon debacle, adds another block in the wall separating the Muslim world from the rest. You cannot threaten
people with death every time you perceive an insult to something you hold dear. The civilized world will not tolerate it.
As Muslims continue to settle in foreign lands, they are going to have to accept and live with the fact that there are people
the world over, of all races and religious denominations, that are rude, insulting, intolerant, and predisposed to stereo-
types, racial, religious or otherwise. Rational discourse and reasonable protests are acceptable means in dealing with
ignorance. If, indeed, the majority of Muslims worldwide are peace loving and tolerant, as some claim, the problem is
that the rest of the world doesn't hear you. We instead hear the bombs, the murders and the constant death threats and
chants calling for the destruction of anything non-Muslim. We hear the imams, clerics, and political leaders inciting the
populace into a maniacal rage. Because of all of these examples, violence is indelibly linked to Islam, yet Muslim leaders
can't seem to understand why their religion is disrespected around the world. We cant' hear the moderates among you,
for your silence is deafening.
If it's apologies, respect, and tolerance they want, they had better clean up their own backyard first. Only then will the wall
between these cultures begin to come down.

Re: Clinton vs. free speech

imam you have to realise that all christians will not violentlly demonstrate and casuse the deaths of more christians if jesus was made fun of in a cartoon the reason is we believe our holy jesus has enormous eternal powers to deal with those who wish worse for him. so instead of taking revenge ourselves as moslems have done we would rather have jesus's own powers take care of its self. what is making the actions of makority moslems deplorable is not the fact that a few radicals are draging islam through the mud its the shocking silence and almost complacent attitude of the majority of moslems to stand by and not do anything evil you have to realise florishes only when good people do nothing so i challenge you and all moderate moslems who cliam islam is peaceful to demonstrate in deed . when martin luther spoke against the catholic church he was ex-communicated not murdered how can you possiblly convince anyone that islam is peaceful as long as critics like rushdy live in fear constantlly for their life should'nt he be free if islam is that peaceful afterall he has appologised to all who were offended. if more and more critcs live with death the whole world would eventually be living in fear is that what you want others to associate islam with.on the other hand i will challenge you to draw a similar cartoon of jesus christ and see what happens if christians will put a death threat on you for the rest of your life.the main reason why we christians believe jesus christ should revenge his own enemies is the same reasons that we don't want to take the laws into our own hands we are law abiding people who believe in jesus christ and GOD you will become a murderer if you kill any one for whatever reason you have so the chain of violent reaction stops right there.the israelies did not go on rampage when the iranian leader advocated that they be wiped out from the face of the earth don't you think that is a serious stuff to say . there is even no fatua on the iranian leader so is all the antisemitism utterances and pictures by other moslems who believe all jews and any unbeliever of the moslem faith must die or be killed just for being unbeliver and surprisinglly the physically carry out that threat what if christians belive and kill all unbelivers of the christian faith can you imagine the level of chaos in the world. it will simplly be un imaginable so i challenge you to be the imam who will infuse a new way of thinking into your fellow moslems and see what happens.

clinton's spine

well clinton once refused to shake hands with musharaff the military dictator when he visited pakistan.

what do you say about that ?

Re: Clinton on cartoons

You people are sooo funny. The prime minister, the newspaper and almost everybody else in Denmark has been apologizing for offending the muslim people for these cartoons. And in case you didn't realize Clinton is saying the same things your "God", President Bush has been saying. So after you get done backsliding, get your facts straight then get a life.

Re: Clinton against free speech

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Re: Clinton against free speech

Islam is a religion that should be respected just as you would Christianity, Buddism, etc. You seem to be very confused that "Islamic" somehow means "Terrorist". Please Reply if/when your intelligence has gone up.

Re: Clinton against free speech

Lou, at least be consistent, first you complain that none of our presidents have a spine, then bash one that does. Dane's shouldn't be targeted for expressing their opniions, in their own contry for crying out loud, with GUNS yet! And Scootie President Bush ISN'T wire tapping people who are against the war, but ones that are in regular contact with known terrorist, you know the ones that BLOW PEOPLE UP? Like the Twin Towers, the U.N. underground parking garage, the subway in France, train in Japan?? Any of these ring a bell with you? Or don't you care about the people from all countries that are suffering and dying because of these Islamic maniacs?

Re: Clinton against free speech

Lou, at least be consistent, first you complain that none of our presidents have a spine, then bash one that does. Dane's shouldn't be targeted for expressing their opniions, in their own contry for crying out loud, with GUNS yet! And Scootie President Bush ISN'T wire tapping people who are against the war, but ones that are in regular contact with known terrorist, you know the ones that BLOW PEOPLE UP? Like the Twin Towers, the U.N. underground parking garage, the subway in France, train in Japan?? Any of these ring a bell with you? Or don't you care about the people from all countries that are suffering and dying because of these Islamic maniacs?

Re: Clinton vs. free speech

Of course Clinton has the right to free speech and to say what he wants. And everyone here has the right to criticize what he said and say shame on him.

In other words, you're as big a hypocrite as you're claiming Clinton's detractors are.

D.Michael

clinton on cartoons

we should not be surprised that the zipper rat (bill clinton)is on the side of islam he's trying to get his 77 hookers I mean virgins