With Willingham’s firing, not only does Notre Dame lose its first black head coach, but NCAA Division I-A, a sport that consists of more than 60% African American athletes, is now down to two black head coaches. But more significantly, Notre Dame has broken with its own traditional protocol when it comes to their coaches. No matter how unsuccessful, Notre Dame football coaches have always been given the length of their first contract to prove their merit. This strikes me as fair and wise. We live in a sports culture that believes that the first solution to any rough patch ought to be to fire the coach or manager. More often than not the problems run deeper, as programs most always discover. The almost comically overmatched Gerry Faust got a full run in Notre Dame. So too did Bob Davie, whose teams never won a bowl game. And yet Notre Dame could not manage to find a full five years for Willingham, whose record at Notre Dame was on pace to be significantly better than Davie’s.
So the obvious question emerges: Why fire Willingham now? Why throw him under the bus when other coaches have had every opportunity to prove what they could do in the shadow of Touchdown Jesus? Of course we will never know. The good folks at Notre Dame will talk only of the storied tradition of their hallowed program, but let’s get real. I have a hard time believing that the anti-Willingham whispering campaign that began when the Irish fell to 5-7 last year had nothing to do with race.
Notre Dame has gotten something of a free pass the last ten or fifteen years. They manage to maintain ties to the BCS despite not affiliating with a conference. They have their own television contract with NBC. And yet the best team they have had in a decade was Willingham’s first team. The Fighting Irish went a desultory 6-5 this year and secured a bowl bid. But here is the dirty little secret that no one wants to admit: Notre Dame is simply not that good anymore. And firing Willingham is unlikely to change that. The Golden Dome is tarnished today. The university just got rid of a good coach, their first black coach, after giving him less of an opportunity than they gave his white predecessors. I think it is only fair and right to ask why.


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Richard, was Bubba Smith as big in person as he looked on those Miller Lite commercials?
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I'm not going to say the blowout thing is, of itself, a justification for canning Willingham. But that prime time debacle in the Coliseum certainly hurt recruiting a heck of a lot more than an overtime shootout would have, don't you think? Not that Notre Dame is going to win many recruiting battles with So Cal or Oklahoma or, clearly, Florida these days.
But I agree, as I said earlier, that Willingham didn't get enough time and that you have to be willing to build despite all the increasing pressure. I am clearly biased, but I just don't see the race thing being anywhere near the factor as the pressure to be elite, and despite your attempts to isolate that as the only viable reason, unless more evidence comes out, which I'm sure will happen, I remain unconvinced.
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Derek - You cannot really be saying that with a straight face, can you?
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In any case, my other sports intuitions seem to be holding up better. AP and CNN/SI are reporting, based on grand jury testimony, that Bonds admitted to "unknowingly" using steroids. Knock me over with a feather.
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That's not a good comparison at all for those who value the idea of building a program and how much work that takes, by which I mean, people who actually watch football. Let's remember where Willingham was and what he did there (Stanford -- a place with actual admissions standards and no culture of winning football). Blindly taking winning percentage is just a silly standard. Again, please remind me of the list of Notre Dame coaches in the last decade who won ten games and gatrered national coach of the year awards.
Finally, people keep mentioning the 20+ point loss actor. What a colossally stupid measurement that is. Point differentials are for guys who determine championships by computers. People who care about sports do not think that losing by 31 is of necessity worse than losing by 2. These people are not football fans.
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I absolutely believe that. In the long run, the difference is negligible. If you are telling me that it feels worse to lose by 20 than it does to lose in overtime by one, you've never played sports.
Richard --
Davie did not in fact recruit great players. Willingham inherited a train wreck and got on a magic run that he carried through with smoke and mirrors. It is shortsighted to say that building a program means an unbroken run in which each season has more wins than the one before. Even programs that are good have ups and downs. Stop being silly. I'm beginning to think you don't even like sports at this point!
Yeah, the Bonds thing will get uglier before it gets better. I just hope that it ends up being primarily a west coast borne controversy, at least as far as BALCO goes.
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Actually, the 78 Yankees thing is bit different -- we are talking a game versus a season. Put it this way -- a more appropriate analogy with the Sox is that 1990 hurt a lot less than 1978. Or even more apt, the loss ijn the ALCS to yhe Yanks in 1999 hurt a whole lot less than it did in 2003. On the other hand, all losing sucks, and i do agree that it did not ehlp recruiting, excfept to say that a loss to the defending national champion who appears poised to repeat is hardly something that comes standard. Were I an alum or recruit, the four straight losses to BC would be a lot worse than the losses to a clearly superior USC team.
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Wow! I had not given that even a scintilla of thought, and it would never happen, but that would be interesting!It would certainly be popular and might even allow Notre dame to turn chicken poop into chicken soup.
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Except that I do believe that Duke has won a national championship or two in sports, indeed, in a fairly major one. Yes, by golly, I do. And I believe Stanford has the best athletic program in the country by the measure of overall athletic excellence. And in any case, are you saying Notre dame did not want to win in year three of davie? because they didn't. And they have won one national championship in three decades or thereabouts. So they may see themselves as a national championship contender every year, but believing in little fairies that spew championship dust does not make it so.
In any case, you are making arguments against things I never said. How many times do i have to say that Notre Dame is a good school and that indeed its standards are higher for athletes than at many schools? I've done it, what, five, six times here now? Are you intentionally misrepresenting me? That would be rather against the Notre Dame spirit. What I am saying, and I thought it had been fairly plain all along, is that there are a lot of places that value academics, but that nonetheless bend the rules for their athletes. I've no problem with that, save when they then pretend not to, which is the whole problem i have with Notre Dame.
In any case, no one has yet explained why Willingham lost his job before his contract up but Bob Davie did not, though Willingham had a better record and a ten win season and national coach of the year award under his belt. And davie inherited Holtz'sd program while Willingham inherited the train wreck that was davie's. Why the double standard, and why the reluctance to identify the only salient differentiating factor, race?
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Oklahoma was terrible until just a few years ago. Florida has not seriously competed for a national championship in the last few years. What changed at those places? Did Oklahoma lower its academic standards for athletes? Did Florida raise its academic standards for athletes? No. Oklahoma got Bob Stoops. Steve Spurrier left Florida.
This is football, not basketball or baseball. By its nature, coaches are far more important to the success of a team in football than in most other sports. Lou Holtz's teams were in the running for national championships almost every year. Bob Davie took over a good program but was a terrible head coach at Notre Dame and left behind a mess. Willingham never got a real chance to turn the program around. The problem at Notre Dame was coaching, not academic standards.
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I was about to say,:Wow -- talk about looking for the flimsiest excuse possible to avoid doing the right thing! There are two black head coaches in NCAA DI-A, and you are trying to send a warning to those who are critical of the fact that there are only two coaches and that Notre Dame has just seriously screwed up and that race has to be a factor to impose yet another barrier to hiring black coaches. that is rather astounding. Criticize a bad race situation and you'll only make it worse? Talk about giving an institutional pass.
I'm not much impressed with Hornung's answer to the problem now, nor have I ever been. BC has admissiosn standards that are pretty rigorous, and I cannot help but notice that they have pounded Notre Dame four years running.
i also am nopt convinced that any,one outside of Notre Dame still sees South bend as the epicenter of football in the US. And I am not certain that anyone in the South ever really did. i think this arrogance is part of the problem -- you all can think you are the most important program around. But the fact is that you are not. Firing a good coach who came in under crappy circumstances is not going to change the fact that a whole lot of kids today would choose Florida or Miami or USC or LSU over Notre Dame and admissions won't even begin to enter the equation at that point.
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In conclusion, you say that there are other schools that recruits would rather go to now. You are right. Part of the reason for that is the failure of Davie and Willingham. Notre Dame is tring to correct this and become more competitive. There are better ways to push for equality that trashing Notre Dame about this.
By the way, I do not like Notre Dame at all and usually root against them. I begain to kind of root for them because of Willingham. Now I can go back to hoping they lose by 50 every week. I just can not support piling on them for this decision. It punishes them for doing the right thing in the beggining. As a head football coach you are hired to be fired, and thats just the way the world works.
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"I know what he was saying. I think what you can do is track it back to the last time Notre Dame won a national championship [1988]. During that time, they relaxed the standards for players to get into Notre Dame. Some of the players that played on those squads wouldn't get in today. The thing is, some of those players turned out to be some of the best ambassadors the school has ever had. So, I think what Paul is saying is that relaxing the academic standards puts you in touch with a larger pool of players you can recruit. Right now, there are a number of players they can't recruit because they can't get in. However, I understand why Notre Dame has its academic requirements as high as it does. In fact, they protect the integrity of my degree by keeping the academic standards high. I'm also a believer that you can't win long term with stupid players. So, you're looking at a small pool of players that Notre Dame has to go get that have the total package."
One of the folks Pinkett is referring to as a great ambassador is certainly Chris Zorich, who said he is ashamed of Willingham's firing.
Ultimately, it comes down, as it often does I think, to the rub between ethics and the demands of competition. This pervades life in U.S. society. Notre Dame is a Catholic institution, but the firing of Willingham was made for business reasons. Can I categorically say race wasn't a factor, or some other inside dynamic wasn't at work? No. But the climate has changed everywhere, as the stakes are higher and the leash is shorter across the country. Two words - Frank Solich. Coaches are the expendable element, not players, in this new super-competitive atmosphere in the huge money world of college sports.
And fairly or unfairly, like the Yankees, people care just care more about Notre Dame - both their supporters and their detractors, who are disproportionately represented here. The school is different in that regard.
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I fear that this discussion of the possibility that Willingham’s dismissal was motivated in part by racism could result in a further setback to the cause of racial equality in college football. Think very carefully about the possible ramifications of this point of view.
First, Notre Dame is widely considered to be the premiere head-coaching job in the country. Notre Dame set a good precedent by not only considering Willingham, but also hiring him. Further, his success three years ago was trumpeted nationwide. These actions do not seem to be of a school motivated by racism.
Second, what could be the results if Notre Dame is unfairly tarred with a “partially racist” label. This is a clear signal to any other school in the country that there are great risks on the backside of any hiring of a black head football coach. What I am saying is that even if an Athletic Director is completely pure of any racist considerations, the possibility that if he hires a black head coach, he will be forced to keep him regardless of his performance to avoid a public relations nightmare, like this one, may influence his decision. He may rationally determine that the risks outweigh the benefits of hiring a black head coach. This is not France. An employer should have the freedom to fire if deemed wise.
Personally, I am sensitive to this disincentive. If I understand most of your opinions right, does not the black head football coach in America already face a very difficult road to opportunity? Why pile on an additional factor of disincentive to schools who may be open to hiring a black head coach?
Noter Dame should be given credit for giving the opportunity to a good man, Ty Willingham. I do not believe that others should be too critical with the firing until every other school in the country has also given a black head coach the same opportunity. The cause of equality and justice would be better served by posts highlighting the closed-minded approach of all the other universities that have not given this opportunity to qualifying candidates. There are many jobs available this year. If you want to advance the ball on this issue, put pressure on these schools to consider qualified black candidates. Convincing them that there are great public risks on the backside of a good decision does nothing to advance the ball.
Lastly, equality means equality. Along with opportunity come the risks of failure and the spoils of success. Ron Zook, a white coach, was fired with a much better record. Frank Solich was fired from Nebraska last year with a great record. If America is to become a land where the color of skin becomes irrelevant, black coaches must accept the fruits of failure, as determined by their employer, along with the fruits of success. Notre Dame did change their tradition by not fulfilling the contract. Yet I would argue that this change was inevitable in the current competitive environment. The color of Willingham’s skin would have not made any difference.
Willingham will be fine. He will get another job, and he will be a success. Please consider the unintended consequences of making a big deal out of this natural occurrence in the competitive world of big time college football
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But I love how you then turn the tables -- the problem is not Notre Dame sudden;y changing its age old policy; it is not firing a black coach who did measurably beter than his predecessor based both on records but as importantly on where the program was when the guys inherited it. No, the issue somehow becomes one of schhols not being willing to hire black coaches becuse of the blowback! How noble! NCAA DI programs can now say that if they hire a coach who is black, they are just courting trouble. W
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This is football, not basketball or baseball. By its nature, coaches are far more important to the success of a team in football than in most other sports. Lou Holtz's teams were in the running for national championships almost every year. Bob Davie took over a good program but was a terrible head coach at Notre Dame and left behind a mess. Willingham never got a real chance to turn the program around. The problem at Notre Dame was coaching, not academic standards.
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And that is even with their supposedly elevated academic standards. At Notre Dame, the general university requirements for mathematics are at this site: http://www.science.nd.edu/science_undergrad/courses/math_courses.htm . Based on this information, it looks like Arts and Sciences students can take finite mathematics and statistics and avoid the basic calculus courses to fulfill the two-course mathematics requirement. Many, though not all, schools have basic math requirements for all of their degrees. But if you think Notre Dame doesn't do the same as every other big name program and figure ways to get their athletes through the requirements, you are just being naive.
Naivete might be something to watch out for, especially for someone who comes on a website whose members are two Ph.D.'s and one near-Ph.D. and writes, "I wounder how many of the members of this web site would qualify if that standard was imposed upon them?" My math is a little rusty--I took Trig/Pre-Calc as a sophomore in high school and physics the next year--but I somehow managed to get through my undergraduate degree while playing a little football at a Division II school where I spent five or six weekends a Fall driving in old buses 8, 12, or 16 hours to games all over the West. I think I probably could have handled Notre Dame's academic requirements while eating at training tables, flying in comfortable jets, and getting my ass wiped by my team-appointed personal assistant. But I could be exagerrating--I'm no Rick Mirer, Jerome Bettis, Mark Edwards, Jeff Faine, or Rocket Ismail.
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fair point Richard, on the differences. Except for this: Davie inherited the Holtz legacy. Willingham inherited Davie's trainwreck of a team, and that following the debacle of the O-Leary affair. despite this (oh, and one national coach of the year award to davie's zero) Willingham had a better record. one game better, perhaps, but better.
As for Ed's point about Notre Dame and National Championships, this is precisely the problem -- they have won one championship in, I believe, 27 years. And I'm going to say it because it needs to be said -- Lou Holtz has never been clean anywhere he's been, so Notre Dame can feign purity if it wants, but I'm not buying it. They can guage themselves by that measure if they'd like. But it is stupid to do so. Nebraska has the same problem. I hope you are happy with Urban Meyer. There will be no excuses in three years when he has a 21-15 record with them. Will they fire him? No firing of Davie before his contract was up. No firing of Joe Kuharich. No firing of Gerry Faust. Of those three Willingham had the best record despite being dealt the worst hand. What is the factor that differentiates Willingham from those others?
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Oh, no intent to associate you with them at all. I'm just making points in my vehement way! And I certainly do not believe in monocausality -- all of the factors you and Ed address are absolutely part of the equation. i just think the final nudge was probably an element of race. it may be too much to call it racism per se, a word that is overused, but i think that Willingham's race has to be factored in.
And I absolutely hate Notre Dame too. In fact, in a way I am happy because i really like Willingham and he'll have no problem getting a job (Washington?) so i can root for him again.
Ed -- I wish you'd overheard Lou's confession. Surely lying about the might of the likes of navy would have had to have come early on, albeit as a warmup for the truly juicy stuff!
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Now, realistically, I highly doubt Notre Dame can pull an 0-fer, but had Willingham been left in charge, and had he lead his team to such an inglorious record his firing would be completely justified I believe, but some would probably cry racism on the basis that Notre Dame kept him on for too long, and that the Irish should have canned him this year after barely scraping together a winning record.
I'm not arguing in defense of Notre Dame in any way, and you make a very convincing argument Derek but as we both know race in America is a touchy subject. For every Tyrone Willingham that gets fired before his contract runs out there is an outcry of racism on those who did the firing. On the flipside though, for every Clem Haskins or Dennis Green who gets fired for legitimate reasons (Clem for all sorts of academic fraud, Green for allowing the Vikes go from Purple People Eaters to Driving Miss Daisy on Defense), there's a call that racism was involved. Yes, racism is an over used word, and it has lost a lot of its impact in today's world, but sometimes a firing is a clear cut business move. Notre Dame demands success. They have not been having success lately. They don't know how to handle losing, or the discovery that they're starting to outlive their legacy, so now they're trying to find the magical fix it man to take their team to a BCS bowl quickly, no questions asked. Expect the next coach at Notre Dame to be involved in an academic scandal.
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regarding your first comment -- rebunk is on HNN because the three of us are historians. But we write about anything under the sun that tickles our fancy. We believe that our interests in history and sports and pop culture and politics and whatever are fair game. And certainly there are historical elements here.
As for the larger issues you raise, even more noisome, i think, than the alums of Notre Dame are the notorious subway alums. All schools have them -- folks who never attended a class at the school but have adopted them as their own. And again, in principle I've no problem with this -- indeed, having gone to a small school for undergrad, a mid-major basketball school with no football program for an MA, and a MAC school for my PhD I am effectively a subway type for BC in some sports, UNH in others, and so forth. But the problem comes when those folks are making the most noise.
In any case, thanks for the contribution.
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Nice point. But trust me when I say that the academic admission standards for the Ivies across the board drops for athletes. And I am not even opposed to this -- at the end of the day, a good kid with a 1200 SAT with a special skill (hockey, oboe, long jumping, debate) is equal to a bookworm with 1400 but not much separating him. Now of course all of these schools have lots and lots of athletes who are also fantastic students. I am a former athlete from one of the schools that they focused on in The Game of Life, and I was recruited by several of the ivies as well as a few other schools with good academic-athletic reputations. I believe in sports and have no qualms when schools recruit athletes. What I do have a problem with is schools who pretend that they do not, because the record is so very clear about this.
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there are lots of reasons why a school may not compete successfully at the highest level. Scademics are only part of this. Otherwise, the alternative question can be asked -- how do you explain when Notre Dame does compete? in othger words, if being bad is an argument for their academic excellence, then the only conclusion one can draw is that when they are good it is because of academic failings. this is a foolishly reductionist argument. the factr emains, notre dame is a fine school. But as with all schools, athletes at notre dame are given serious advantages in admissions and in their time at school. The issue is not the quality of notre Dame, it is the artifice that they are somehow an exception among elite football programs. I do recall that Notre Dame won 10 games just two seasons ago. has the competitive climate really changed that much? has it really changed that much since a guy with a little speed, Raghib ismail, won the heisman? I'd venture to say that those who want to argue that college football is radically different from what it was ten years ago are really struggling for an argument.
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Good point on Ismail and the Heisman, though to my knowledge that does not make the Rocket any slower. And let's not pretend that not taking Peop 48 cases makes one a paradigm of scholarly virtue. Again -- Notre Dame is a good school. But this idea that the academic standards are burdensome is simply not true. There are lots and lots of schools that have comparable or higher academic standards that field successful DI sports teams. Duke? Stanford? Cal? The fact is, like every school, Notre Dame relaxes its standards for its athletes. This is simply a fact. Notre Dame won 10 games two years ago. What happened? How is it that you guys explain that? And the landscape of college football is simply not that different from what it was a decade ago. The Solich case is not probitive one way or the other. Things have simply not changed that much in ten or twenty years, and there is not enough substance to this Notre Dame academic superiority thing to be worth arguing about except that some people seem to think that the football team actually has the same admissions burdens as the regular student body. It's the sanctimony that is so galling.
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Its Notre Dame. They're not in any way related to any of the big conferences, they play to a national audience most weekends despite their schedule being a B-list fare for college football at best, but their name evokes memories of the good old days of the game, like, before the forward pass when casualty lists weren't uncommon.
They are one of the reasons that college football has the BCS to start with. All the BCS is, is a prop for the old 'established' conferences to use to make money off the newer programs. The Minnesota Gophers haven't been to the Rose Bowl since 195-something, and they're not an exceptional case when it comes to big time bowl bids. And they're from the Big Ten, a major player in the BCS world. On top of that, they're not even an exceptional case when it comes to big bowl droughts.
In the end, while it is a hypocritical disgrace that Notre Dame, which glorifies tradition and beats people over the head with their storied history, went and broke one of their own traditions to get rid of a coach who inherited a losing team before he could really rectify the situation, I simply view the whole issue as a form of high commedy. Sure, race probably played some role in the firing of Tyrone Willingham, and such a motivation is reprehensible, but, I think Notre Dame is so far along its decline into obscurity that we might as well enjoy watching the ride. Of course, I always do like to see the mighty crumble from their own hubris.
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I'm not sure Notre Dame fired him because of his race as much as their own unrealistic expectations and ignorance as to how little talent Willingham inherited, but I'm not afraid to say that the Irish have some serious explaining to do.
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1.) Urban Meyer is probably the hottest coaching prospect in the nation, and he has a history at Notre Dame, and
2.) The third straight 31-point loss to USC. Granted, the Trojans have probably been the best team in the nation over the last three seasons, but you can't keep losing to an arch-rival in that fashion, that often, and not expect to take some heat. Willingham came under the gun last season when Michigan beat the Irish 38-0, for the same reasons.
It's a fair question to ask why Willingham got only three seasons while Faust and Davie got five. I think one reason is that Willingham followed Davie, and after the Bob Davie regime, the ND athletic department probably couldn't stomach the thought of another five-year rebuilding plan. And again, Urban Meyer is available now, but probably won't be in two seasons. Faust is a special case, an Irish Catholic who eats, sleeps, and dreams Notre Dame, and probably got too long of a tenure out of sentimental reasons. In comparison between him and Willingham, it's probably more accurate to say that Faust was retained for too long because of what, and who, he was, more so than Willingham was fired because of what, and who, he was. Does that make sense?
I agree with Derek that Willingham was fired too soon. Three years is hardly enough time to gauge the progress of a program. It's only fair to give a coach enough time to see his original recruiting class all the way through. And Notre Dame hasn't played at a national-championship level since 1993; they're going to need more than three seasons to get back to that level. Still, Willingham himself admitted that he didn't live up to his own expectations at the job. I just don't think race played a role in Willingham's firing- although it may have played a role in his hiring in the first place.
I also think that Willingham will be head-coaching before the beginning of next season, although I don't think it will be at Washington. Methinks he's going back to Stanford.
Oh, and as far as "playing the race card" is concerned, Derek is a model of subtlety compared to the hysterics at ESPN.com's Page 2. Jim Caple's column, in particular, is a trip- a grown man, a sportswriter at that, who seems to be channeling post-election Maureen Dowd. Ugly stuff.