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Apr 16, 2005

Front Page Ragged ...




At Front Page Mag, our colleague, Tim Burke, is featured in the the last of a three part series. They are promoted as David Horowitz's dialogues with the Left about his DiscoverTheNetwork, which is otherwise rightly mocked in John Holbo's Discover the Nutwork.Org.

There are all kinds of reasons that one wouldn't attempt a dialogue with Horowitz. Take, for example, what passes for feedback at FrontPageRag. It is the most disgusting mishmash of verbal abuse I've seen anywhere on the net. Most of it has nothing to do with the conversation between Burke and Horowitz. It certainly speaks volumes about FrontPageRag's audience. Beyond that, there's the evidence that guests at FrontPageRag are intolerably abused. Earlier this week, Michael Berube was featured there. His substantial responses to questions were edited out and, then, Horowitz had the chutzpah to berate Berube for not responding to questions! Only after Berube made a big issue of it did the folk at FrontPageRag locate and publish the responses in a second part of the interview. In fact, there wasn't supposed to be a second part of the interview. It was only there because Berube had called Horowitz and his managing editor, Jaime Glazov, out for their deceit. That underscores a third reservation I'd have about appearing in dialogue with David Horowitz at FrontPageRag. It is his turf. He sets the ground rules and he always gets the last word.

But one of the things that I like about Tim Burke is his capacity to surprise me -- even though I've been reading his work at Easily Distracted for the last two years and have blogged with him here at Cliopatria for the last 16 months. I was surprised, for example, when on 2 February Burke's"Off the Hook" gave us a very early warning signal about the troubled waters in the Ward Churchill affair. Just when I was gearing up for a spirited defense of Churchill's"free speech" rights, Burke told us that it might not be as simple as that. Go read it and remember how early in the controversy it appeared. My"free speech" reaction was a decent, but ignorant, instinct. Burke knew what he was writing about.

Yet, in this dialogue, Tim agreed to a discussion with someone who would"network" him with someone like Churchill in a New York minute (hey, they're both Leftist anti-Americans, aren't they?), if he thought he could get away with it. It surprises me that Burke agreed to do the dialogue. You can read the result here. I've read enough of Burke's work to recognize the style of his argument in what is reported. At some point, he may want to comment, either at Easily Distracted or Cliopatria about his experience with Horowitz, but I'd just like to point out one issue in what appears over there.

Even when Tim and I disagree with each other, as we have from time to time, there are two qualities about him that hold my deepest respect. One is that he is one of the smartest human beings I know; and the other is that he is a gentleman to the core. He might not use that word about himself. It's a little old fashioned, but then I'm a little old fashioned, so I use it. Tim would prefer to talk about modeling"how we should all behave within an idealized democratic public sphere" or something like that. So, he's invited to offer his critique of Horowitz's DiscoverTheNetwork and he does. Immediately, Horowitz dismisses it as"a series of insults" – and that clears the way for him to respond with a series of insults, including reference to Burke's"ignorance." As I've said, Burke has held my respect for as long as I've known him because he's a gentleman and one of the smartest people I know.

Horowitz could not be more exactly wrong. But, then, we already knew that, didn't we? It's time for other conscientious conservatives, like myself, to repudiate everything that David Horowitz represents in our democratic public sphere. The truth is that there isn't a decent conservative instinct in his whole being. He was a gun-slinger for the Left as a young man who decided there was more money to be made as a gun-slinger for the Right in his seniority. There's nothing conservative about that.



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Michael B?rub - 4/19/2005

I should admit that I had something to do, indirectly, with Tim Burke's appearance in FrontPage. Back in early March, they were looking for people who would challenge DiscoverTheNetwork on the merits, and I thought Tim would be ideal. I actually assured Tim that in my prior experience with FrontPage "debates" -- rigged as they are, with Horowitz always assured of the last word -- they dealt with me openly and honestly. So when they botched my exchange this time around, I was doubly angry -- on my own behalf, of course, but also because I had just assured Tim that this sort of thing would not happen.

But I'm glad I suggested him as a debater, all the same. Tim Burke is so much more measured and patient than I am that, I believed, he could not fail to make Horowitz look at once intellectually slipshod and ridiculously rude, all the while maintaining a sublime rhetorical equanimity. At least about that much I turned out to be right.


Sharon Howard - 4/16/2005

I think Ralph - or somebody else - already wondered recently why Tim would agree to do this in the first place (especially after Berube's, um, encounter). And so, no great surprise about the outcome.

So: anyone of even vaguely left/liberal leanings is going to be increasingly shy of attempting to have any debate or dialogue with Horowitz. At which point, we will be treated to complaints about how the cowardly Left refuses to engage with his arguments...

Which leaves one pondering the question: is there method to the madness?


Ralph E. Luker - 4/16/2005

You got it, Danny. Jamie Glazov made that mistake a second time -- even after I sent him an e-mail correcting his error the first time. It's beyond sloppiness. It's as if there really is no regard for what is true over there.


Danny Loss - 4/16/2005

I only had to read through the third sentence. Tim's an associate professor at Swarthmore, not an assistant prof.


Ralph E. Luker - 4/16/2005

Ms. Nunez, You may be right about Horowitz's motivations. I abstract from his common denunciations of professors who, he says, make $150,000 a year for six to eight hours of work nine months of the year. I don't know any of those people. But, as I've pointed out here, he's paying himself at least $179,000 a year without having satisfied the entry requirements for academe. Given the quality of what he does, I doubt that he'd live anywhere near that high on the hog if he were in academe.


Rose M Nunez - 4/16/2005

Er, make that just a plain vanilla "show trial judge." Never saw a "two-man judge." (Someone ought to do an article on the silly ways word processing mangles writing.)


Rose M Nunez - 4/16/2005

Prof. Luker, you wrote:

"He was a gun-slinger for the Left as a young man who decided there was more money to be made as a gun-slinger for the Right in his seniority."

Having read Horowitz's two autobiographical books, I'd agree that he brought the worst polemical tendencies of his leftest background with him when he moved to the right, but I don't know enough about him to agree with the money part of your statement. Are you sure it's greed that motivates him? It seems just as likely to be that he loves to grandstand, or maybe he's really got the kind of true-believer mentality that cripples genuine inquiry.

At any rate, Professor Burke's got him on the ropes here. Horowitz's replies are so defensive and off-point that they're painful to read. They're so embarassing, in fact, that I'm finally convinced not to spend any more clicks on FrontPage (even though there've been a couple of articles worth reading there in the past year). Horowitz comes across as a one-man show trial judge, and these staged "debates" were a bad PR move for him, at the very least.