Blogs > Cliopatria > Did Karl Rove Doom Bush's Presidency?

Aug 30, 2007

Did Karl Rove Doom Bush's Presidency?




HNN welcomes your comments.

You do not have to register to participate in this poll for the first two weeks; after that, registration is required. [Update: The two weeks has expired. Registration is now required for comments] We do ask all readers to abide by our civility guidelines whether they register or not.

To participate in our poll simply drop down to the bottom of this page and post a comment.

In the September issue of the Atlantic Monthly Joshua Green asks,"Karl Rove had the plan, the power, and the historic chance to remake American politics. What went wrong?"

Green contends that the Bush administration is a failure. He says that Rove is to blame for domestic failures and Dick Cheney for the foreign policy failures. (Green acknowledges that Mr. Bush of course is ultimately responsible.)

Green begins his long article by noting that Rove believed he had the opportunity to force a realignment in American politics comparable to the change staged by Mark Hanna and William McKinley in 1896. Though there is no sign that he has achieved his goal, some still believe that a party realignment is coming. As Ken Mehlman, the Bush campaign manager in 2004, told Green:

If you look back over the last few decades, an era of politics has run its course. Both parties achieved some of their highest goals. Democrats got civil rights, women’s rights, the New Deal, and recognition of the need for a cleaner environment. Republicans got the defeat of the Soviet Union, less violent crime, lower tax rates, and welfare reform. The public agrees on this. So the issues now become: How do you deal with the terrorist threat? How do you deal with the retirement of the Baby Boomers? How do you deliver health care with people changing jobs? How do you make sure America retains its economic strength with the rise of China and India? How that plays out is something we don’t know yet.

Green insists that Rove's mistake was to believe he could force a realignment:

Modern American historians generally see five elections as realigning: 1800, when Thomas Jefferson’s victory all but finished off the Federalist Party and reoriented power from the North to the agrarian South; 1828, when Andrew Jackson’s victory gave rise to the modern two-party system and two decades of Jacksonian influence; 1860, when Abraham Lincoln’s election marked the ascendance of the Republican Party and of the secessionist impulse that led to the Civil War; 1896, when the effects of industrialization affirmed an increasingly urban political order that brought William McKinley to power; and Roosevelt’s election in 1932, during the Great Depression.

Academics debate many aspects of this theory, such as whether realignment comes in regular cycles, and whether it is driven by voter intensity or disillusionment. But historians have shown that two major preconditions typically must be in place for realignment to occur. First, party loyalty must be sufficiently weak to allow for a major shift—the electorate, as the political scientist Paul Allen Beck has put it, must be “ripe for realignment.” The other condition is that the nation must undergo some sort of triggering event, often what Beck calls a “societal trauma”—the ravaging depressions of the 1890s and 1930s, for instance, or the North-South conflict of the 1850s and ’60s that ended in civil war. It’s important to have both. Depressions and wars throughout American history have had no realigning consequence because the electorate wasn’t primed for one, just as periods of electoral unrest have passed without a realignment for lack of a catalyzing event.

In a way Rove's mistake was smilar to Cheney's:

The Middle East failure is all too well-known—the vaulting ambition coupled with the utter inability of top administration figures to bring about their grand idea. What is less appreciated is how Rove set out to do something every bit as audacious with domestic policy. Earlier political realignments resulted from historical accidents or anomalies, conditions that were recognized and exploited after the fact by talented politicians. Nobody ever planned one. Rove didn’t wait for history to happen to him—he tried to create it on his own. “It’s hard to think of any analogue in American history,” says David Mayhew, a Yale political scientist who has written a book on electoral realignments, “to what Karl Rove was trying to do.”

Attempting a realignment might not have been counterproductive, says Green, except that Rove, besides acting imperiously toward Republican leaders of Congress, mistakenly chose to win congressional approval for major policies through strictly partisan appeals after 9-11.

Is Green right?



comments powered by Disqus

More Comments:


Cathy Jo Farr - 11/29/2008

I think it is reprehensible that this Lori (whateverherlastnameis)woman got off so easily! The US courts are taking this 1st amendment right too far...we definitely need legislation for the internet and the people who abuse it!


David Skidmore - 8/26/2007

The young are won by the Democrats through our educational system. In the elementary years they are inculcated with the tenets of the multicultural creed and in ensuing years are feed a steady diet of pro-governmental power as the only panacea to all problems. Add the media's penchant to make mountains out of molehills and they don't stand a chance to be able to think on their own.


Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 8/17/2007

And don't forget, either, all vote fraud is committed by Democrats, whether in big cities or on Indian Reservations, or simply in the registration of illegals, living and dead. The names of our principal cities read like the title of a giant vote-fraud directory: Kansas City, Chicago, St. Louis, New Orleans, Detroit, Seattle, Cleveland, Philly, New York, Jersey City, etc., ad nauseam. When adjusted for fraud, Al Gore probably lost the popular vote in 2000, and Kerry probably lost by four million in 2004, not just 3.5 million.


- 8/16/2007

All fair-minded people must be constantly on the lookout for those nasty Democrats that feel they can only win elections or derail campaigns via dirty tricks, voter suppression tactics, and other unfair means.

As every (informed) person knows, Republicans do not believe in nor practice or condone the use of "the end justifies the means" ways of progressive politicians.

I think it's just appalling whenever someone takes it upon themselves to try and paint President Bush as anything less than a fine, brilliant man who wants to make life better for all Americans and everyone else, except for Evildoers.


Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 8/16/2007

We are fortunate that late-hits will not work any more, as evidenced by two which fell apart in the last days of 2004. In addition to the CBS try, the NY Times floated up a front page accusation that the U.S. forces had neglected to guard an ammo dump in Iraq, which allowed the enemy to get his hands on some ordnance. This was totally false, of course, and completely discredited in no time by conservative bloggers. While not as entertaining or as personal as the Mapes/Rather howler, it was very important, and a milestone in history. The Mark Halperin memo at ABC was not exactly a late-hit, but its exposure was another warning to would-be news twisters... It's very unlikely that a warmed-over DUI late-hit, such as perpetrated in 2000, would ever work again.


- 8/16/2007


See Article 85 of the UCMJ, then come back and try to argue that your "hero"
wasn't AWOL for more than 30 days.


Vernon Clayson - 8/16/2007

You throw the word desertion around rather freely which indicates you have no perception at all of what desertion means in military terms.
Check it out, perhaps you will learn something.


- 8/15/2007

You must be one of the very few right-wingers that still pretend to not know that Bush's desertion is tantamount to treason and that his illegal use of narcotics, insider trading, and corporate welfare at the expense of Arlington, Texas taxpayers are all part of Bush's history as the successor to the title formerly held by Reagan as "Most unqualified to serve as POTUS".

You must also be one of the very few right-wingers who still pretends to not know that Bush did NOT win the 2000 election or the 2004 election, and is "occupying" the WH without having lawfully earned the right to.


Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 8/15/2007

You must be one of very few who are still blinded by the attempted late hit of Rather and Mapes, which boomeranged so resoundingly. Please note, besides, that Bush's term in TANG was for six years, and he probably actually served in uniform longer than Kerry, who took phony medals for an early out. Toward the end of Guard and Reserve service nearly everyone would cut tedious meetings if he possibly could, though always, like Bush, with permission.


Susan McKinney - 8/15/2007

I predict that Bush WILL resume the draft shortly following Petras' report. Let's watch and see.


Tom Wellock - 8/15/2007

The Dems success with young voters is hardly the result of fear of the draft. It is much more fundamental. James Carville noted that Rove drove off an entire generation of voters.

"A late July poll for Democracy Corps, a non-profit polling company, shows that a generic Democratic presidential candidate now wins voters under 30 years old by 32 percentage points. The Republican lead among younger white non-college-educated men, who supported President George W. Bush by a margin of 19 percentage points three years ago, has shrunk to 2 percentage points. Ideological divisions between the Republican party and young voters are growing. Young voters generally favour larger government providing more services, 68 per cent to 28 percent. On every issue, from the budget to national security, young voters responded overwhelmingly that Democrats would do a better job in government."

Partisan he is, but I also think Carville is right on this one.


Tim Matthewson - 8/15/2007

The Green essay makes the useful point that winning elections is not the same as governing and that the Republicans have shown a woeful lack of ability to do the latter.


i1der2 - 8/14/2007


If the truth about Bush's use of illegal narcotics and his (arguably) treasonous
act of desertion whenever he was in the TANG had been released by either the Democrats or the corporate media, Bush
would have needed to steal so many votes that even the right-wing SCOTUS wouldn't have been able to save his unfit-to-be-president candidacy in 2000.

He would have lost be even more votes if the corporate media or the Democrats had told the voting public about Bush's "business" failures, SEC violations, and the fact that his "people" made it possible for him to make millions of dollars at the expense of Arlington, Texas taxpayers, in the corrupt deal that resulted in his acquiring an interest in the Texas Rangers baseball team.


Randll Reese Besch - 8/14/2007

I meant "Mein Kampf",attempted coup in USA was in 1934.


- 8/14/2007

No, I believe Rove and Bush were eminently successful at what they perceived as the goal of Presidential power- namely increasing their share of the cake.
If they look like they are loosing, it is because finally the American people are not buying it.
Yet they managed to change a lot and reap a lot of benefits for their people.


HAVH Mayer - 8/14/2007

Karl Rove will be remembered just the way Mark Hanna would have been, if we'd lost the Spanish-American War.


Dirk Dirksen - 8/14/2007

All this hoopla about Rove's great "historic" vision to "remake" American politics is just so much Texas Steer Manure recycled by journalists who wouldn't know which end of the steer to watch to see it being delivered.

Rove's only real purpose was to get 51% of the electoral vote for George W. Bush, in 2000 and 2004, whether by truth, lies, deceptions, fear or clever soundbites leading to actual popular votes, or by hanging chads and questionable Supreme Court justices. He pursued that goal with skill, success, and a general lack of principles and scruples, to the great and lasting detriment of America. Period. End of Story.


kaie - 8/13/2007

Rove could not have failed someone whose elevation to the Presidency did not elevate the office.

It may be useful to ask: Why did an administration with such precious little talent - outside of its ability to manipulate a gullible Republican party base and its groupies - think that it could forge a realignment of both American domestic politics and the international order? Ambition should be made of sterner stuff.


Maezeppa - 8/13/2007

Rove seems motivated by an intense hatred of Vietnam-era protesters and a determination to ensure they would live out their senior years in penury.


Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 8/13/2007

The news was held back by the Dems from March, when discovered by their operative in Maine, until released to the mainstream media on the Thursday before the election--for maximum effect. There was no time for rebuttal let alone more refined accusations, such as "he lied about it previously." (Those probably came in the aftermath in "support" of the heavily-promoted canard that "Bush lied"). This exquisitely timed late hit dropped Bush four points in the polls, and with a total of 100 million voting can be seen to have cost him four million votes--almost enough, but not quite. Absent the late hit, however, Bush would have beaten Gore by the same number of popular votes that he beat Kerry.


Randll Reese Besch - 8/13/2007

Part of the problem ,I think,is that overall the reasons given to invade the Middle East and the cryptic real reasons are defined by the PNAG report reads like "Mein Kampt" only on a global scale. Remake the USA into a theocratic/coporate empire from within and a managed world of lesser powers and energy resource fiefdoms to service it.
For me the neocons/theocons began realigning the Republica party in the 1970's culminating in the Reagan win. For me Karl Rove was simply refining where they wanted a single party rule permenantly. The Democrats acting as abbetors to what they want. See Joe Leiberman as an example.
The Repub. were always "conservative" in relations to human rights but "liberal" when it came to church/state/corporate seperation as being, "just a piece of paper," to dismiss the Constitution/Bill of Rights they prefunctorally swear allegience to.Where many of them have allegience to their Commander & Chief instead.
Curious timing for Rove to resign,I wonder why? The only way the Republicans have a slim chance to win,in a fair-read clean election is Ron Paul who has been consitant about limited gov't the others haven't. The question is,will the Bush/Cheney presidency will step down? What if one or more "9/11's" occures as has been hinted at? With the COG establishments by presidential edicts under a "unitary executive." Orwellian for a Fuhrer or Ceasar or Pope of a fully realigned country with at best a figurehead Congress and subsurvient Judiciary at their sides.
With solid evidence that the 2000,2002 and 2004 elections have been stolen through electronic trickery and old fashion thuggery and pilfering among other vote stealing techniques threaten the election of 2008.
We are in our worse threat to our gov't since the attempted coupe by the corporate cabal called "The Fraternity" failed just barely and smoothed over by FDR. Only now with sympathetic types at the top of the gov't itself.
Without the use of impeachment being used by the Democrats we are at the mercy of a runaway criminal POTUS has 17 months to do even more harm to us and the world without Karl Rove.


Linda Grant - 8/13/2007

The short answer is YES! Green is right. This plan, (Rove AND Cheney were both architects: Read the PNAC Report - The Project for a New American Century) outlined the GOP's takeover of the Middle East. It was written in 1997, 3-years before Bush captured the presidency - and the power. His policy was doomed before it got started because the basic premise - that Iraq was an "easy mark," was flawed. And to justify attacking Iraq Bush had to lie about the possession of "Weapons of Mass Distruction." The "key' of course was 9/11. It will prbably be some decades before the US and the world learn the facts behind 9/11 - including what entities paid for and was "behind" the destruction of the World Trade Center.


HNN - 8/13/2007

(Manassas, Virginia) The following is a statement from Richard A. Viguerie, author of Conservatives Betrayed: How George W. Bush and Other Big Government Republicans Hijacked the Conservative Cause (Bonus Books, 2006), on the resignation of White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove:
 
“Karl Rove’s departure from the White House is good news for conservatives. We may—may—have a more conservative Bush presidency with Rove back in Texas.
 
“As President Bush’s chief political advisor, Karl Rove was a master in the care and feeding of conservative leaders, keeping them mostly silent as the Republican Party moved Left during the Bush presidency.
 
“He used the usual carrot and stick to do this. The carrot was access to the White House—and conservative leaders proved just as vulnerable as others to the lure of a photo op with the President, lunch in the West Wing, or a returned phone call from Karl Rove. The stick was fear—speak out, and not only will you lose any hope of access, you will be branded as an extremist, or someone who’s helping the Democrats by speaking out.
 
“Using both carrot and stick, Karl Rove was able to silence or get the support of most conservative leaders as President Bush and congressional Republicans greatly expanded the size and reach of the federal government, including (but certainly not limited to)…
 
No Child Left Behind
McCain-Feingold
Prescription drug benefits
Nation-building on a scale never attempted before
Farm subsidies
Steel tariffs
Massive federal deficits 

 
“Yes, Karl Rove was a political genius—he was, after all, the successful architect of Bush’s election in 2000 and reelection in 2004. But as the President’s chief policy advisor, Rove was the architect of George W. Bush’s betrayal of the conservative cause.
 
“Karl Rove’s biggest failure was to leave the White House without achieving his stated goal of establishing the Republicans as America’s permanent governing party. To even mention that today—after the 2006 elections, President Bush’s plummeting poll numbers, and the GOP’s bleak prospects for 2008—brings embarrassment or laughter, depending on your political viewpoint. No wonder Karl Rove wants to forget about those boasts.
 
“Rove failed in that goal primarily because he attempted to advance the Republican Party by using raw, naked political power and bribing voters. He copied the Democrats and was more successful than them—for a while. But then conservatives and independents caught on to his game. We started rebelling, first over Harriet Miers and most recently over the amnesty bill. Meanwhile, the Republican Party had lost its “brand” as the party of small government.
 
How do we recover from the Rove Era? We have to reject the bribing of voters and instead build on President Reagan’s legacy. We must re-establish the conservative movement (and the Republican Party, if it wishes to survive) as the movement and party of ideas, empowering people instead of government, and with a strong national defense but no more nation-building.
 
“Bush’s brain” will soon be gone. Let’s hope that wiser counsel prevails in the White House in the future, but let’s not depend on that. We conservatives have work to do.”


Ken Wolf - 8/13/2007

Aside from his hubris, Rove's chief mistake might ultimately have been underestimating the intelligence of those who consider themselves seriously moral or religious. Karl was just too cynical in thinking that the issue of Abortion and Gay Marriage had more staying power than they did. Sooner or later, even simple-minded Christians begin to realize that there is more to morality that these issues, and, more importantly, that they are being duped and used.


M Cowan - 8/13/2007

"In 2000, remember, the 30- year-old DUI "late hit" cost Bush four million votes in the final week."

It wasn't the 30-year-old DUI that hurt Bush, but his 2-year-old lie about it. Wayne Slater of the Dallas Morning News asked Bush in 1998 about whether he'd been arrested after 1968, and Bush told him no. The DUI conviction was in 1976. The revelation of the DUI had almost no effect, until people began learning about that interview and the false answer.


Richard Jensen - 8/13/2007

Rove just announced he's quitting. Doubtless because he misunderstood the 1896 election.


Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 8/13/2007

The de facto coalition of Republicans with Southern Democrats which ruled for many years seemed to fracture permanently with the nomination of Judge Bork... That was a consequence of Johnson's Voting Rights Act, as evidenced by the vote against Bork by people like Heflin. So there was another realignment there. The Democratic success with young voters in '04 should be attributed to the clever ploy of suggesting Bush would resume the draft. The more the GOP denied this diabolical assertion, the more the young people voted for Kerry just to make sure.


- 8/13/2007

Of course this summary is too short to be definitive, but Green is strong on opinion and thin on facts and evidence. When ascribing motives to historical figures, especially to politicians, it is well to remember the caution: History often does not repeat itself; historians simply repeat each other.
Green might ask himself how he could present his thesis without being so blatantly partisan. Objective readers
look for historical accuracy, fresh interpretations of verifiable changes
in policy, and unbiased conclusions that avoid personal attacks on key players in the story. This summary may not do Green justice, although it probably reflects accurately how he falls short in several aspects. Even the heading of this piece appears to beg the question. Neverthless, Green is entitled to his opinion, whether it is partisan and merely supports a plank in a Presidential candidate's platform.


Susan McKinney - 8/13/2007

Even without giving this the thought it deserves I feel an unqualified "YES!" leaping to mind. The number of ways in which Rove has damaged Bush's presidency and the Republican party are too numerous to catalogue. But Mr. Bush bears ultimate responsibility for partnering himself with a cadre of people with so little respect for our constitutional democracy that they chose to gain their means by device. Sadly, a hallmark of some recent American Presidencies appears to be, failing the qualifications to lead a country, to surround themselves with persuasive manipulators. History always lends clarity to what is clouded by the complexity of current events and a government's ability to keep secret some of it's actions. There is no doubt in my mind that the Presidency of George W. Bush will be reflected very poorly indeed when viewed in historical perspective.


Tom Wellock - 8/13/2007

I agree with John Philips that we are writing off Bush a little too soon here, but even if he can salvage Iraq, he will still suffer for the disasterous first four years of the war.

For the sake of this academic exercise, let's assume it is a failed presidency. Rove will certainly be blamed for much of the mess. Remember that Bush ran in 2000 on the claim that he was a uniter, not a divider. That wasn't entirely a cynical ploy. From what I understand, it wasn't until Rove analyzed the election results that he began pushing for a strategy of playing to the base almost exclusively. That strategy more than any I can think of has doomed Bush's legislative agenda in his last few years in office.

I don't see how Rove could have pulled off a realignment under any circumstances. In previous realignments, the majority party was able to cobble together a coalition that agreed with them on most issues and voted that way. But the public has largely sided with the Dems on domestic issues. The Dems have been winning the votes of young adults for the last few election cycles, so its future was brighter than it looked in 2004 when Tom Delay and pundits like Fred Barnes were predicting decades of GOP control.

Probably only success in Iraq and a constant fear of terrorism could have cemented a long term GOP reign, and that was nearly impossible. It wasn't just a few tactical mistakes that failed to bring that about. The neocon understanding of the world was always fundamentally flawed. So I think we are left with a closely divided electorate for sometime to come.

I also think it is hard to call 1968 a realign election the way 1932 was. The shift of the South out of the Dem party had been going on since at least 1948. And even 1968 did not cement the change completely. Jimmy Carter was able to piece the New Deal coalition together one last time in 1976.


John Edward Philips - 8/13/2007

Isn't that what Trotsky tried to do, with even more damaging results? It seems that the conjunction of global warming and international war will combine to cause a real realignment sometime soon, maybe in the next election. In the meantime, we should remember that there was a realignment already, perhaps in 1968, perhaps in 1980, but sometime in the recent past.


Lawrence Brooks Hughes - 8/13/2007

KR has been extremely successful in planning election strategies for George W. Bush in 2000, 2002, 2004, and before, and also in picking up U.S. Senate seats in those years listed. In 2000, remember, the 30- year-old DUI "late hit" cost Bush four million votes in the final week.

In 2006 Rove stumbled by frittering away cash on Lincoln Chafee, or might have saved Conrad Burns and/or George Allen, retaining Senate control.

The title of this piece, "Did KR Doom Bush's Presidency?", assumes that Bush's presidency IS doomed, not at all a sure thing. Bush has much better popularity scores than Harry Truman did when leaving office, and Petraeus and Odierno may return like Grant and Sherman, casting a pall over Democrats in the future. Dems stance against the U.S. in a shooting war could easily prove suicidal.

The realignment of 1968 is not mentioned above, and should have been. In '68 the New Deal candidate H. H. Humphrey got barely 40% of the vote, with Nixon and Wallace taking about 60%. Middle America was outraged by the riots of 1967, blamed liberal judges, and took many years to increase prison populations until the present day. The divide from 1968 continues to the present in many ways--it was obviously an upheaval of Jacksonian proportions. Since then America has had a conservative majority. John Kerry knew this in 2004, when he wisely campaigned in only 13 states, trying to eek out a win in the electoral college--which was his only chance--and almost succeeded. It is easy to view the GOP setback in '06 as an aberration like Jimmy Carter; the first a reaction to Watergate and the second to Abramoff and Iraq fatigue.


Brett M Dickerson - 8/13/2007

While it is the easiest thing to blame Rove, I don't think that it was entirely Rove's doing. Yes, Rove is just a grown-up version of to many college Republicans: intensely self-assured, hubris to spare, unconcerned that the ideology that he espouses can actually do harm to millions. Yet, I do go back to Bush himself when I look at the original team and how it was more than Rove himself who kept the more experienced members of the cabinet (like Powell) from having any real impact on policy as a whole. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Wolfowitz were also a part of the bare-knucks neocon idealogues who believed themselves to be unappreciated geniuses intent upon ramming their policies through without considering the value of true debate and opposition voices. In the end, The Decider is the one who chose that cabinet, and the largest measure of blame goes to him.