Why Bush Can't Afford to Wait





Mr. Toplin is a professor of history at the University of North Carolina at Wilmington and a writer for the History News Service.

Although many critics of immediate war with Iraq are requesting that U.N. weapons inspectors be given months or even a year to complete further investigations in that country, President Bush appears eager for quick military action. His resistance to a delay springs from more than just worries about conducting U.S. military operations in a desert during the heat of summer. Bush is mindful of growing difficulties with public opinion and an ailing economy, problems that could soon make war with Iraq politically unworkable.

A crescendo of protests against war and disturbing news about a flagging economy are undermining public support for quick military action in Iraq. Bush's difficulties are beginning to look like those of President Lyndon B. Johnson during the years of America's involvement Vietnam. Bush's problems, though, are taking shape much more quickly than in the 1960s because of advances in technology.

Back in the Sixties, antiwar activists staged large-scale protest rallies from 1967 to the early 1970s, two or more years after the U.S. escalation in Vietnam. Protest movements took time to gain momentum. There were relatively few public outlets at the time for discussion of political issues. When American military action expanded in Vietnam in 1965, the three major television networks devoted only a few minutes each day to national and international news.

In contrast, today Americans encounter an abundance of questions about war on network and cable TV stations, talk radio, and the Internet. Combat has not even started, yet Bush is up against a well-informed and increasingly critical public.

Huge antiwar rallies held in American and European cities on Feb. 15 and 16 gave the Bush administration hints of a troublesome future. Critics of the administration's policy coordinated marches that brought millions to the streets of New York, London, Paris, Rome and other cities. In the modern age of mass communications, protesters can mobilize much more rapidly than in the 1960s.

That mobilization is contributing to shifts in public opinion that could soon limit the president's choices. A recent New York Times/CBS poll indicated that 59 percent of the American respondents favored giving the U.N. weapons inspectors more time to complete their investigations before an act of war. The poll also showed President Bush's overall approval rating had dropped 10 points in just one month, and 44 percent disapproved of his overall management of foreign policy.

If the president agrees to delay an attack on Iraq for six months or a year so that U.N. inspectors can expand their investigations, any move toward war thereafter could easily face overwhelming American and international condemnation. Even if Bush acts now, he will be taking military action in a political environment that is rapidly becoming hostile toward his policies.

Economic pressures are also motivating President Bush to plunge quickly into war. A repeatedly delayed decision for military action could sap more energy from the economy and heighten the concerns of an apprehensive public.

In the 1960s the economic consequences of large-scale military involvement in Southeast Asia took time to build. Problems with inflation and unemployment did not grow to disturbing proportions until the late 1960s and early 1970s. By then, Americans had learned that they could not have both guns and butter.

The economic impact of the Iraq crisis has taken effect much more rapidly than in the days of U.S. engagement in Vietnam. Inflation is not yet an issue, because the United States and the world have been in a deflationary environment over several years. Inflation of petroleum prices is, however, a fast-growing problem. From the end of 2001 to the fall of 2002, when President Bush began rattling his saber in the direction of Saddam Hussein, oil prices shot up 46 percent. They surged again in the past few weeks with the growing international fears of an imminent outbreak of war.

American and international stock markets have also taken a beating because of the prospects for conflict in the Middle East. This volatility was particularly evident when prospects for peace improved. On Feb. 14, for example, a report from the chief U.N. inspector offered a glimmer of hope that war with Iraq might not be necessary, at least for the immediate weeks ahead. Reacting to the news, Wall Street investors overcame their jitters and sent the Dow Jones surging 158 points for the day.

These developments are pressing the Bush administration to take quick action. With war talk hurting the economy and public resistance to the bombing and invasion of Iraq growing at home and abroad, there seems little time left to launch an attack.

For these reasons, President Bush and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld will try to initiate military operations within weeks. If they hesitate, the antiwar protesters marching in city streets around the world may yet carry the day.


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Stina KAABDALIS - 1/21/2004

The Saga of Karl Gustav HAMMAR&Torbjörn JOHANSEN&John S. TORELL; "The True Christians always struggle against the Zionism, also, Jewish Fascism"... (Int. English language version)

**
- We just watched a close version which called; "Melllan Livets ord
och satanens marknadsanpassade verserna"... - Show goes on; I
understand.. Well, this is the "Brand New" version of ongoing cruelity of
profiteers who still collect the benefites by the way of religius mnanipulative
industry... Also, English version labeled; "The Living Stories; Livets ord coup
against Christianity... - Let's watch it!..

**
- I would like begin with a joke!..
- You are welcome!
- A man is caught in a terrible rainstorm in the town of Vaexsjö, Skaane. For
days and
days it rains without stopping, causing a flood. He is trapped in his house, but
since he is a man who has great faith in God, he is not worried. He believes
that God will save him. By the fifth day of rain, his basement is flooded and
his neighbors are starting to evacuate their homes. His neighbor, driving an
all-terrain vehicle, offers him a ride to higher and drier ground. "No, thank
you," the man replies. "God will save me." The rain continues. In fact, it grows
worse. By the eighth day, the first floor of his house is under two feet of
water, the street in front of his house looks like a river, all his neighbors
have left and he is alone in his house sitting on the dining room table calmly
eating cereal. Suddenly there is a knock on the door. A member of the Rescue
Squad has arrived in a powerboat, and offers to take the man to safety. "No,
thank you," the man replies. "God will save me." The rescuer leaves and the man
finishes his cereal. Three more days go by. It rains all three days without
stop. By now, the entire first floor is flooded and the man has to retreat to
his roof. The National Guard has been called in and on the afternoon of the
eighth day, a helicopter flies low over his house, dropping a ladder for him.
The pilot calls down, "Grab hold and we'll lift you out of here!" "No, thank
you!" the man yells back. "God will save me." Within two more days, the water
has risen so high that the man is about to drown. The town is utterly deserted,
most houses have collapsed and the street have became raging, turbulent rivers.
The man is sitting on his roof, waiting for God to save him. As the waters rush
around his neck, he begins to fear that perhaps God will not save him and he has
been mistaken all this time to have had faith in God. Plaintively, he cries out,
"God, why haven't you saved me?" A voice booms from heaven, "First I sent your
neighbor in an special terrain vehicle, then I sent the Rescue Squad in a boat,
then I sent the National Guard in a helicopter. What more do you want from
me?".. - What is the relation between the fanatic religious Jews who always
piss off all advices of Vatican?... - I'll say at the end of this
conversation, just after this radio inteview...

**

- Tv Channel Independent Laponia broadcasts an REPORT on the TRUE GENOCIDE...
- Let's watch it!.. - Father Audeh RANTISI and the other eyewitness
are
telling... Eyewitness&Survivors&Independent Observators are telling; The TRUE
HOLOCAUST&The TRUE MASSACRES on The Folks, Working Class' & Minorities like The
Armenians, Assyrians, Palestinians, Indians, Kurds, Cypriots, Laponians,
Leftists and Intellectuals, Scientists, Artists who support the Working Class in
the dictatorial sistems, Iraqi, Cuban, Libyan, Sudanese, Somalian and Afghan
Children who sistematically been slaughtered by the U.S.-Britannian killing
instruments and poor masses were been sanctioned by the U.N.-marionettes etc.
Massacres&The True-Holocaust; PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE... Testimonies of the
Eyewitness& Survivors& independent sources... THE TRUE FASCIST GENOCIDES on the
PEOPLES of MIDEAST: Remembrances of the Massacres at occupied areas in Mideast:
This story is a piece of the massacre-testimonies by Father Audeh RANTISI and
other eyewitness'...(-Übersetzen Sie es bitte auf deutsch als z.B. die
Erinnerungen von Father Audeh RANTISI und die Menschenrechtekämpfer, die
unabhängige Wissenschaftler/ und die andere Augenzeugen/Innen erzählen um das
Richtiges HOLOCAUST/MASSAKER an antiimperialistischen Personen / Häftlingen /
Gefangenen / Arbeiteklassen und an der Zivilbevölkerung / Armeniern, Assyriern,
Inidianern, Kurden, Laponen, Palaestinensern, Zypriotern und andere Völker aus
der okkupierte Gebieten im Nahen Osten z.B. Massaker von Al-Zaatar /Hebron /
Khan Younis /Kufr Qassem / Qalqilia / Qana /Qudüs / Sabra / Shatila / Tulkarem
usw da die vierte Konvention ignoriert wurden, was dauert noch bei der Betrug
und Heuchelei von UN Vereinte Nationen und auch die Massmorden an Gruppen und
Volksmassen wie die Fluggäste von El Al Boeing 747 Flugzeug 1992 in Holand und
die Fährschiff-Estonia 1994 in Baltikum, welche transportierte heimliche
nuklearmateriellen für USrael usw.) Fm Channel Independent Laponia insist to
REMINDER HUMANITY ! Eyewitness Father Audeh RANTISI and other eyewittness are
telling: -Day after day- In these extracts from his memoir, Father Audeh
Rantisi remembers the horrific scenes that confronted him, aged 11, when his
family were brutally deported from their home of many generations to make what
life they could for themselves in the refugee camps of Ramallah Father Rantisi
was born in Lyda, now the site of Ben Gurion Airport, in 1937. From 1955 to 1958
he attended the Bible College of Wales, moving in 1963 to continue his studies
at Aurora College in the state of Illinois. He then served as a missionary in
Sudan. In 1965 he opened the Evangelical Home for Boys in Ramallah, West Bank.
In 1976 Father Rantisi was elected as Ramallah's deputy mayor and he is now the
director of the orphanage of the Evangelical Home of Boys.From "Blessed are the
Peacemakers ...The History of a Palestinian Christian" I cannot forget three
horror-filled days in July of 1948. The pain sears my memory, and I cannot rid
myself of it no matter how hard I try.First, Jewish soldiers forced thousands of
Palestinians from their homes near the Mediterranean coast, even though some
families had lived in the same houses for centuries. (My family had been in the
town of Lydda in Palestine at least 1 600 years). Then, without water, we
stumbled into the hills and continued for three deadly days. The Jewish soldiers
followed, occasionally shooting over our heads to scare us and keep us moving.
Terror filled my eleven-year-old mind as I wondered what would happen. I
remembered overhearing my father and his friends express alarm about recent
massacres by Jewish terrorists. Would they kill us, too? We did not know what to
do, except to follow orders and stumble blindly up the rocky hills. I walked
hand in hand with my grandfather, who carried our only remaining possessions-a
small tin of sugar and some milk for my aunt's two-year-old son, sick with
typhoid. The horror began when Zionist soldiers deceived us into leaving our
homes, then would not let us go back, driving us through a small gate just
outside Lydda. I remember the scene well: thousands of frightened people being
herded like cattle through the narrow opening by armed soldiers firing overhead.
In front of me a cart wobbled toward the gate. Alongside, a lady struggled,
carrying her baby, pressed by the crowd. Suddenly, in the jostling of the
throngs, the child fell. The mother shrieked in agony as the cart's
metal-rimmed wheel ran over her baby's neck. That infant's death was the most
awful sight I had ever seen. Outside the gate the soldiers stopped us and
ordered everyone to throw all valuables onto a blanket. One young man and his
wife of six weeks, friends of our family, stood near me. He refused to give up
his money. Almost casually, the soldier pulled up his rifle and shot the man. He
fell, bleeding and dying while his bride screamed and cried. I felt nauseated
and sick, my whole body numbed by shock waves. That night I cried, too, as I
tried to sleep alongside thousands on the ground. Would I ever see my home
again? Would the soldiers kill my loved ones, too? Early the next morning we
heard more shots and sprang up. A bullet just missed me and killed a donkey
nearby. Everybody started running as a stampede. I was terror-stricken when I
lost sight of my family and I frantically searched all day as the
crowd moved along. That second night, after the soldiers let us stop, I wandered
among the masses of people, desperately searching and calling. Suddenly in the
darkness I heard my father's voice. I shouted out to him. What joy was in me! I
had thought I would never see him again. As he and my mother held me close, I
knew I could face whatever was necessary. The next day brought more dreadful
experiences. Still branded on my memory is a small child beside the road,
sucking the breast of its dead mother. Along the way I saw many stagger and
fall. Others lay dead or dying in the scorching midsummer heat. Scores of
pregnant women miscarried, and their babies died along the wayside. The wife of
my father's cousin became very thirsty. After a long while she said she could
not continue. Soon she slumped down and was dead. Since we could not carry her
we wrapped her in cloth, and after praying, just left her beside a tree. I don't
know what happened to her body. We eventually found a well, but had no way to
get water. Some of the men tied a rope around my father's cousin and lowered him
down, then pulled him out and gave us water squeezed from his clothing. The few
drops helped, but thirst still tormented me as I marched along in the shadeless,
one-hundred plus degree heat. We trudged nearly twenty miles up rocky hills,
then down into deep valleys, then up again, gradually higher and higher. Finally
we found a main road, where some Arabs met us. They took some of us in trucks to
Ramallah, ten miles north of Qudüs. I lived in a refugee tent camp for the next
three and one-half years. We later learned that two Jewish families had taken
over our family home in Lydda. Those wretched days and nights in mid-July of
1948
continue as a lifelong nightmare because Zionists took away our home of many
centuries. For me and a million other Palestinian Arabs, tragedy had marred our
lives forever. Throughout his life my father remembered and suffered. For
thirty-one years before his death in 1979, he kept the large metal key to our
house in Lydda. After more than four decades I still bear the emotional scars of
the Zionist invasion. Yet, as an adult, I see what I did not fully understand
then: that the Jews are also human beings, themselves driven by fear, victims of
history's worst outrages, rabidly, sometimes almost mindlessly searching for
security. Lamentably, they have victimized my people. Four years after our
flight from Lydda I dedicated my life to the service of Jesus Christ. Like me
and my fellow refugees, Jesus had lived in adverse circumstances, often with
only a stone for a pillow. As with his fellow Jews two thousand years ago and
the Palestinians today, an outside power controlled his homeland-my homeland.
They tortured and killed him in Qudüs, only ten miles from Ramallah, and my new
home. He was the victim of terrible indignities. Nevertheless, Jesus prayed on
behalf of those who engineered his death, "Father, forgive them..." Can I do
less?
**
- After a break FM Channel goes on!...
- Deir Yassin remembered: Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of
the Irgun (headed by Menachem Begin) and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a
village with about 750 Palestinian residents. The village lay outside of the
area to be assigned by the United Nations to the Jewish Gang State; it had a
peaceful reputation. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between
Tel Aviv and Qudüs. Deir Yassin was slated for occupation under Plan Dalet and
the mainstream Jewish Killing force, the Haganah, authorized the irregular
terrorist forces of the Irgun and the Stern Gang to perform the takeover. In all
over 100 men, women and children were systematically murdered. Fifty three
orphaned children were literally dumped along the wall of the Old City where
they were found by Miss Hind Husseini and brought behind the American Colony
Hotel to her home which was to become the Dar El-Tifl El-Arabi orphanage. Part
of the struggle for self determination
by Palestinians has been to tell the truth about Palestinians as victims of
Zionism. For too long their history has been denied and this denial has only
served to further oppress and deliberately dehumanize Palestinians in USrael,
inside the occupied
territories, and outside in their diaspora. Some progress has been made.
Westerners now realize that Palestinians, as a people, do exist. And they have
come to acknowledge that during the creation of the state (!!!) of Zionist
Occupational Mafia thousands of Palestinians were killed and over 700 000 were
driven or frightened from their homes and lands on which they had lived for
centuries.
** - Events related to the 50th anniversary of the
massacre...
The 50th Anniversary Memorial Conference in Qudüs and associated events around
the world Qudüs, Tuesday April 14, 10 AM Deir Yassin Remembered conference at Al
Quds University, Hind Al-Hussaini Hall. Speakers include Lea Tsemel, a prominent
Jewish lawyer, Hashem Mahameed, member of the Kenesset of Zionist Occupational
Gang and two survivors of Deir Yassin who will give eye witness testimony.
Following the conference will be a march to lay flowers at the site of the Deir
Yassin massacre. Contact: Khairieh Abu Shousheh, +972-2-627-6591 (W) or
+972-2-628-6207, Washington, DC - April 7, Tuesday: 4 PM at Gaston Hall in the
Healy Building, Georgetown University, 37th and O St. Daniel McGowan, Director
of Deir Yassin Remembered will speak on the significance of the Deir Yassin
massacre in 20th century Palestinian history and its role in the current peace
process. He will be available in DC for interviews through April 9. Mr. Assad, a
survivor who
was 15 years old at the time of the massacre and lost over 30 members of his
extended family, will give personal testimony. He now lives in the United
States. Contact: Daniel McGowan, +1-315-781-3418, E-mail:Los Angeles, CA - April
9, Thursday: Vigil from 11 AM to 1 PM in front of Museum of Tolerance, 8786 West
Pico Boulevard. This Holocaust museum was established by the Simon Wiesenthal
Falsification Center. There will be presentations by prominent Jewish and Arab
Americans who lived in IUSael and came from some of the 418 Palestinian villages
and towns destroyed in the 1948 war. Photographs of 15 destroyed villages will
be displayed. Contact: Don Bustany +1- (213) 663-2112, Michel Shehadeh
+1-(714) 636-1232 W Sacramento, CA - April 9, Thursday: Noon rally at
University of California Davis quad in front of the Student Union Memorial
building. Co-sponsored by the Arab Student Organization, Arab American Club of
Davis..... They will read a list of 418 Palestinian villages that were
demolished in the 1948 war. This event will kick off a month-long series of
events remembering "Al-Nakba, The Catastrophe - 50 Years of Palestinian
Dispossession." Contact: Fuad Nijim
+1-530-757-7191 **

- Click on the articles button of FM Channel's website to browse an index of
article dealing with the massacre. Use the Sequence of Events below to read
about what really occured at Deir Yassin. Following are the events that took
place on the day of the massacre. They are listed in sequential order by the
time at which they occured. Use the arrow icons to
return to the Sequence of Events just below.Sequence of Events (there are a lot
of useful sites around of these subjects) Early in the morning of Friday, April
9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang
attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was
several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of
the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish
State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish
newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high
ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Qudüs and one plan, kept secret
until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents
evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered
Jewish residents of Qudüs. By noon over 100 people, half of them women and
children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of
resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers
were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Qudüs and
then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin
and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Qudüs. That
evening the Irgunists and the Sternists escorted a party of foreign
correspondents to a house at Givat Shaul, a nearby Jewish settlement founded in
1906. Over tea and cookies they amplified the details of the operation and
justified it, saying Deir Yassin had become a concentration point for Arabs,
including Syrians and Iraqis, planning to attack the western suburbs of Qudüs.
They said that 25 members of the Haganah militia had reinforced the attack and
claimed that an Arabic-speaking Jew had warned the villagers over a loudspeaker
from an armored car. This was duly reported in The New York Times on April 10. A
final body count of 254 was reported by The New York Times on April 13, a day
after they were finally buried. By then the leaders of the Haganah had distanced
themselves from having participated in the attack and issued a statement
denouncing the dissidents of Irgun and the Stern Gang, just as they had after
the attack on the King David Hotel in July, 1946. A 1987 study undertaken by
Birzeit University's found "the numbers of those killed does not exceed 120".
The Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish
fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag." They played down the
fact that their militia had reinforced the terrorists' attack, even though they
did not participate in the barbarism and looting during the subsequent "mopping
up" operations. They also played down the fact that, in Begin's words, "Deir
Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of
its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield." Ben Gurion
even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But this horrific act
served the future State of The Zionist Occupational Gang well. According to
Begin: Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of "Irgun
butchery," were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives.
This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The
political and economic significance of this development can hardly be
overestimated.
Of about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and
like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off
the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and
Slovakia were settled there over the objections of Martin Buber, Cecil Roth and
other Jewish leaders, who believed that the site of the massacre should be left
uninhabited. The center of the village was renamed Givat Shaul Bet. As Qudüs
expanded, the land of Deir Yassin became part of the city and is now known
simply as the area between
Givat Shaul and the settlement of Har Nof on the western slopes of the mountain.
The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant
events in 20th-century Palestinian and Jewish history. This is not because of
its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning
of a calculated
depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over
700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and
other Jews from the rest of the world.
**
- Survivors' accounts...
The following survivor accounts of Deir Yassin appeared in the Dossier
179/110/17/GS and were labelled "Secret" and were the result of an investigation
about 4 days after the capture of the village. They were not made generally
available for 25 years so it is difficult to assume it was made for anti-Irgun
propaganda purposes at the time. If anything keeping it secret indicates the
British protecting the reputation of the Irgun. Journalists Larry Collins
(UPI/Newsweek) and Dominique Lapierre (Paris-Match) [authors of the celebrated
IS Paris Burning?] reviewed the
contents of the reports for their bestseller "O! Jerusalem! (1972)". They noted
that the dossier "contain[ed] the interrogation reports of the massacre's
surviviors by a team of British police officers together with corroborating
physical evidence
obtained through medical examination of the survivors by a doctor and nurse from
Government Hospital in Qudüs." (p. 276) Direct statements of survivors will
follow. In any event, CID Deputy Inspector General Catling concluded: "The
recording of
statements is hampered also by the hysterical state of the women who often break
down many times whilst the statement is being recorded. There is, however, no
doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attaccking Jews. Many
young school girls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also
molested. One story is current concerning a case in which a young girl was
literally torn in two. Many infants were also butchered and killed. I also saw
one old woman . . . who had been severly beaten about the head with rifle butts.
Women had bracelets torn from their arms and rings from their fingers and parts
of some of the women's ears were severed in order to remove earrings." Survivor
statements from the reports are below. Collins and Lapierre refused to use later
Arab sources of atrocities so as to avoid the risk of "any Arab tendency to
magnify the events in retrospect."
(p. 276) In conducting their own journalistic investigation, however, the
authors met with survivors and noted that "their accounts in 1969 amply
confirmed the details of the [secret] British report." (P. 584)
- SURVIVOR RECOLLECTIONS FROM DEIR YASSIN
Mr. Fahimi Zeidan, 12,:"The Jews ordered all our family to line up against the
wall and they started shooting us. I was hit in the side, but most of us
children were saved because we hid behind our parents. The bullets hit my sister
Kadri [four] in the
head, my sister Sameh [eight] in the cheek, my brother Mohammed [seven] in the
chest. But all the others with us against the wall were killed: my father, my
mother,
my grandfather and grandmother, my uncles and aunts and some of their children."
Ms. Haleem Eid, 30: "A man [shot] a bullet into the neck of my sister Salhiyeh
who was nine months pregnant. Then he cut her stomach open with a butcher's
knife."
Ms. Naaneh Khalil, 16, saw a man: "take a kind of sword and slash my neighbor
Jamil Hish from head to toe then do the same thing on the steps to my house to
my cousin Fathi." Ms. Safiyeh Attiyah, 41: "I screamed but around me other
women were being
raped too. Some of the men were so anxious to get our earrings they ripped our
ears to pull them off faster." Mr. Mohamed Jaber, student, "The Jews [broke]
in, [drove] everybody outside, put them against the wall and shot them. One of
the women was carrying a three month old baby." Survivors' testimonies
Source: site. 3 eye witness testimonies of the Deir Yassin massacre as told to
journalist Elias Zananiri, previously published in 9.4.1997 in "Gulf News". On
the eve of April 9th 1948, armed members of Jewish underground groups attacked
the village, a strategic site towering Jerusalem from the West. After the fall
of Al Qastal a few days earlier and the killing of Palestinian guerrilla leader
Abdul Qader Al Husseini, Deir Yassin became the most important point on the road
to Qudüs.
- TESTIMONY I:M.A.R. Al Y.(Abu Mahmud) 70, currently lives in the Old
City of
Qudüs, below are excerpts from his testimony: "I was in the village when the
Jews attacked. I and my colleagues were on the western side of the village,
opposite Al Qastal. We had our guns on us. All villagers, mainly the youths,
were ready for
whatever may happen after the Qastal battle was over. By 1630 on Thursday 8
April 1948, Abdul Qader Husseini was killed as we were watching the battle from
a distance. After his death, we took precautionary measures in case anything
would
happen: We guarded the village until 0230 the next morning when the Jews started
entering the village with the use of spot and search lights looking for our
fighters. The Jews closed on the village amid exchanges of fire with us. Once
they entered the village, fighting became very heavy in the eastern side and
later it spread to other parts, to the quarry, to the village center until it
reached the western edge. The battle
was on three fronts, east, south and north. The Jews used all sorts of automatic
weapons, tanks, missiles, cannons. They used to enter houses and kill women and
children indiscriminately. The youths in the village fought bravely against them
and
the fighting continued until it was around 1530 afternoon. We had no aid or
support from any party. They took about 40 prisoners from the village. But after
the battle was over, they took them to the quarry where they shot them dead and
threw their bodies in the quarry. After they removed their dead and wounded,
they took the
prisoners and killed them. They took the elderly prisoners, women and men and
took them out of the village, yet they killed the youths. They called on us to
surrender, to throw our weapons and to save ourselves. But we did not imagine
them
breaking into the village. We expected the fighting to last one or two hours,
after which they would retreat. But they continued the fighting(..). We had
trenches. The Jews filled one of those trenches with sand and rocks in order for
their tanks to cross. When we hit the tank, it started firing from its
machine-guns at our positions in the western edge of the village. (..) I
remember, from what my uncle's wife told me,
that an uncle of mine, who was a schoolmaster, had killed the commander of the
invading gangs on the staircase of one of the houses and later he disappeared
for three days. Then, they found him with his mother, originally from Latakia in
Syria,
they saw him with her, his name was Ribhi Atiyyeh. She disguised him in women's
clothes to make sure that she could get him out of the village. They identified
that he was a man, they opened fire and killed him. That is what I heard from my
uncle's wife, but I did not see it happening before my eyes. After the June 1967
war, I met a Jewish eyewitness, Ibrahim Najjar (Israeli of Arab extraction), who
lived in Givat Shaul and whom I had known before 1948. He took me to visit the
village, as we arrived, I stood by the well and read some verses from the Koran.
He told me not to
do that. "There isn't anybody here. Come with me and I will show you were they
were all buried." He took me to the quarry where he said: "Here is where you
should read the Koran. Two Jews held a body of an Arab dead and threw it down in
the
valley, some 20 meters in depth." That is were they threw bodies of the 14
martyrs
who were killed there."
- TESTIMONY II: Um Mahmud, wife of Abu Mahmud, was 15 years old at the
time.
"We were inside the house. We heard shooting outside. My mother woke us up. We
knew the Jews had attacked us. My cousin and his sister came running and said
the Jews were already in our garden. In the meantime, fighting became heavier
and we heard lots of gunshots outside. A bomb was thrown at us and it exploded
close to where we were in the yard. (..) My sister- in-law did not want to
leave. She was frightened. The girl was two months old and the boy about three.
I took the two and my mother said we should go to my uncle's house. I saw how
Hilweh Zeidan was killed, along with her husband, her son, her brother and
Khumayyes. Hilweh Zeidan went out to collect the body of her husband. They shot
her and she fell over his body.(..) I also saw Hayat Bilbeissi, a nurse from
Qudüs serving in the village, as she was shot before the house door of Musa
Hassan. The daughter of Abu El Abed was
shot dead as she held her niece, a baby. The baby was shot too.(..) Whomever
tried to run away was shot dead."
- TESTIMONY III: A.Y.J., Abu Yousef, also 70 years old. He lives in
Am'ari refugee camp near Ramallah. "(..)After the battle, the Jews took elderly
men and women and youths, including 4 of my cousins and a nephew. They took them
all. Women who
had on them gold and money, were stripped of their gold. After the Jews removed
their dead and wounded, they took the men to the quarry and sprayed them all
with bullets. (..) One woman had her son taken some 40 to 60 meters away from
where
she and the rest of the women stood by, and shot him dead. Then they brought
Jewish kids to throw stones at his body. They later poured kerosene on his body
and
set it ablaze while the women watched from a distance. We later collected
ourselves, & checked who was missing. At Jaffa Gate in Qudüs, we were gathered
by the Arab Supreme Committee. Each of us was looking for a son, a daughter, a
sister or a mother. All men were busy fighting. Eyewitnesses were only women.
The elderly
men were told to remove the dead, both Arabs and Jews. They took the bodies
of the Jews and left the Arab bodies until they later were thrown in a well in
the village center."
**
- USraeli TV Series With Arab Views Sparks Debate By MARJORIE
MILLER, Times Staff Writer Qudüs--History is written by the victors, it is often
said, but in Israel even the winners do not agree on how to portray their past.
To mark the 50th anniversary of the Jewish state, Zionist Occupational Gang
Television is airing a 22-part documentary series that has enraged many Jews and
apparently enlightened others by telling the story of their country's founding
from the perspective of the vanquished as well as the victors. Side by side with
the country's heroes, the series gives voice for the first time on national
television to marginalized immigrants, Arab citizens who lost their land and
identity to the Jews, and Palestinians who engaged in terrorism to fight for the
return of their land. To some viewers, the series is a watershed event that
exposes Jews to a different, more critical view of their history. To others, it
is simply blasphemy. "Does Zionism really have to sit on the defendant's bench
in a series run by public broadcasting in USrael?" Communications Minister Limor
Livnat asked. "Do we have to produce films that . . . internalize the views of
the Arabs, who for 100 years have been claiming that we are
imperialists, colonialists and occupiers?" Livnat, who has called for the series
to be canceled, was so furious about the Sunday night shows that she has stopped
allowing
her son to watch them. Infrastructure Fascist Minister Ariel Sharon, a key
figure for most of USrael's 50 years, wrote a letter to Education and Culture
(is Fascism a
culture???!!!) Minister Yitzhak Levy complaining that the series "distorts the
history of our redemption, abandoning every moral basis for the establishment
and existence of the state of Zionist Occupatinal Gang" and urging that he not
use the programs in Jewish schools. And the host of the series, Yehoram Gaon,
quit halfway through production rather than appear on a segment that presents
the views of Palestinians who carried out terrorist attacks on Jewish civilians.
- We have coffe to drinnk now and the story continues after a short "pause
music"!...
- We do!..
**
- Dear listeners!.. Human being need your more active effort; progressive help:!
Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return Coalition is the largest network of
grassroots activists dedicated to Palestinian human rights... To sign a letter
asking Intel Corporation to dis-invest from USrael go to:
http://al-awda.org/campaign/intel_letter.htm
To sign Al-Awda's petition to terminate U.S.A. aid to USrael go to:
http://al-awda.org/terminate_aid_petition.htm For
further information, please visit these sources, links, related sites and
discussion forums, there many authorities discuss on above subjects so-caled
the "Open Revenge" between E.U.'s democratical institutions and the
corrupta assassini Zionist lobbies: Antifa Solidarity
against Imperialism and its lapdog Zionism (Jewish Fascism):
http://tierra.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/2002.06/msg00008.html
http://indictsharon.net/case-crimes.shtml
http://tierra.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/2002.06/msg00008.html
http://www.antifa.be/link.html
http://www.leninist-current.revolte.net/cgi-bin/ilc/news/viewnews.cgi?category=all&id=992177048
Minority Rights Group of E.U.: http://www.minorityrights.org/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eIntifada/messages
http://www.ENAR-EU.org/ http://www.icare.to/wcar/
http://www.merip.org/ http://www.magenta.nl/crosspoint/
http://www.badil.org
http://www.multimania.com/stopfascism/links.php
http://www.PalestineCenter.org
http://www.multimania.com/nthines/action.html
http://www.abunimah.org
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/
http://www.adc.org/adc http://www.ozgurpolitika.org/
http://www.tari.org http://www.alternative-info.nu
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/waco.html
http://www.Kurdinfo.com/
http://www.f25.parsimony.net/forum62148/messages/1376.htm
http://www.anti-fascism.org/sidebar.html
http://www.IntifadaOnline.com/
http://www.amnesty.org/news/1996/51504996.htm
http://www.institutkurde.org/
Los Angeles Socialist Party-USA:
http://www.lalabor.org/wwwboard/messages/276.shtml
http://www.nadir.org/nadir/ http://www.che-lives.com/
http://liberate-palestine.hypermart.net/
http://www.medyatv.com/english/index.htm
http://www.labournet.co.uk/community/forum/messages/224.html
Campaign against Arm Tradew http://www.caat.org.uk/
http://burn.ucsd.edu/archives/kurd-l/1999.03/msg00005.html
http://euforthepeople.tripod.com/id2.htm
http://www.webcom.com/maxang/ASAN_BBS/Read/11.html
http://www.united.non-profit.nl/ http://www.amnesty-eu.org/
http://www.WSWS.org http://www.Hebron.com
Pravda Moscow: http://forum.msk.ru/guestbook.html
Solidarity Exile Committees / Revolutionary Immigrants in the E.U.
http://www.resistances.be/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
http://www.apk2000.dk/netavisen/artikler/globalt/2002-na0131-israelsk_soldaterprotest.htm
http://www.akp.no/utvalg/iu/palestina/index.html
World Socialist Forum:
http://users.cgiforme.com/socialistica/messages/297.html **
- I have a quote, related with above subject: "Hasta la victoria siempre/ El
pueblo unido jamas sera vencido" - Who said it?
-Revolutionary Commandante Ernesto Che GUEVARA LYNCH de la SERNA
**
- Civilization should solv its vow!... Mankind must STOP the
ZIONISM (JEWISH FASCISM) and it's supporter IMPERIALISM!
- Yes!.. We must end USraeli Maffia Apartheid!
- Remember; Human-being's Honorable Commandante Ernesto CHE GUEVARA says: "If
you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine!"
**
- The relatives of the victims would like to explain the special
thanks to the Organizations and private info-sources like:: http://www.Antifa.de/Bund
der Antifaschisten (League of Anti-Fascists), IG Metall (the metal workers'
union), Linksruck (German organisation of the International Socialist Tendency),
http://www.Antifa-Hamm.De/ , http://www.ENAR-EU.org/ , http://www.ECRI.org/ http://www.ICARE.org/ ,
http://www.Kurdinfo.com, http://www.unitedagainstracism.org/,
http://www.xs4all.nl/~united/ die Autonomists and various Peace&Freedom
Groups... anti-Fascist Forum of Comrades Sylvio BOHR, Petra GOLM, Aachener
Nachrichten: http://www.an-online.de/ , dear Comrade Ralf STUNTEBECK;
RStuntebeck@hotmail.com, aaponel@t-online.de, ach@mpe.mbg.de, ansar@ansary.de,
bahattin50@gmx.de, dzloj@hotmail.com, feedback@free-market.net,
gymwolbe@muenster.de, hagalil@hagalil.com, info@mission.nu, Klaus@mcbone.net,
maccabi@crossnet.se, mhonarc@pobox.com, Comrade Victoria WÄRMLER:
safir@alfaskop.net, Salim@huuu.de, sosyalizm@cuba.com,
strutype@hrz.uni-kassel.de, vera@enar-eu.org, vivache@cuba.com,
zfa10154@mailszrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.De, petra@golmisfamilienpage.de, György Konrád,
gymwolbe@muenster.de, Comrades David Witzthum und Werner's K-Mans Laberforum:
http://www.f22.parsimony.net/forum44187/wwwforum.cgi?formular , Grüne Jugend:
http://www.forumromanum.de/member/forum/forum.cgi?USER=user_75300
zfa10154@mailszrz.zrz.TU-Berlin.De, Vera EGENBERGER, Jungle World- Leftist
Union and periodical of Germany, ach@mpe.mbg.de, mhonarc@pobox.com, AntifaNet
of Mika C.H.: http://www.guweb.com/cgi-bin/guestbook?id=MIKA, Ground Zero Forums
of Marxist Comrade ÖGYR: http://www.myphorum.de/forum/list.php?f=3668 ,
International Marx-Forum of dear Comrade BUCHENBERG:
**
- Every year, 17th February is the Massacre of Berlin - Memorial
Day Every year, 9/10th April is the True-Holocaust of Deir
Yassin - Memorial Day
....and keep the memory alive April 18, Qana Massacre Remembrance Day!…
Every year, 13th May is the True-Holocaust of Al Mirr Town Memorial Day
Every year, 16th, 17th, 18th September is the True-Holocaust of Sabra Shatila -
Memorial Days
....and keep the memory alive on 28th September; Memorialday of the Estonia
Ferry Massacre in Baltic Sea
....and keep the memory alive 4th October; Memorialday of the El Al Boeing
747 Massacre in Amsterdam
....and Memorial Day of the True-Holocaust of Kufr Qassem is October 29
....and...and...and... mankind's suffer should be end, also means all the kind
of the massacres should be end!
A list on the Palestinians terrorized by massacres (Eine kurze Liste von den
Menschenrechtezentrumen bzw PalestineHistoryCenter):
http://www.palestinehistory.com/massacre.htm
-here is a short list-:
- Place / Village Date Crime made by Number of Killed!..
- Read your list, please!
The massacre of Baldat al-Shaikh on January 31, 1947 Jewish armed
gangs 60 slaughtered
The massacre of Mansurat al Khayt on 18 January, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Sa'Sa'a Village on February 14, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Qisarya on February 15, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Wadi 'Ara on February 27, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Abu Kabeer Village on March 31, 1948 Haganah Jewish armed gangs
NA
The massacre of Dair Yasin on April 9/10, 1948 Irgun Jewish armed gangs 254
The massacre of Nasir ad Din, Khirbet on April 12, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Hawsha on April 15, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Al Wa'ra Al-Sawda on April 18, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Haifa on April 21, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Husayniyya on April 21, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Ayn az Zaytun on May 02, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Bayt Daras on May 11, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Burayr 12 May, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Khubbayza on May 12, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Abu Shusha on May 14, 1948 Jofati Jewish armed gangs 50
The massacre of Al Kibri on May 21, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Al Tantoura on May 21, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Qazaza on July 09, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Lydda on July 10, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of El-Led on July 11, 1948 Mohsa Dayan Jewish armed gangs 426
The massacre of Al Tira on July 16, 1948 Jews Groups NA
The massacre of The massacre of Ijzim on July 24, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Beer Sheba on October 21, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Isdud on October 28, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Al Dawayima on October 29, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Jish on October 29, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Majd al Kurum on October 29, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Safsaf on October 29, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Sa'sa on October 30, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Saliha on October 30, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Arab al Samniyya on October 30, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Aylabon Village on October 30, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Al-Ba'na / Dair Al-Asad on October 31, 1948 Jewish armed gangs
NA The massacre of Al Khisas on December 18, 1948 Jewish armed gangs NA
The massacre of Qibya on October 14, 1953 Jewish armed gangs 67
The massacre of Qalqalya Village on October 10, 1956 Jewish armed gangs 70
The massacre of Kufr Qasim on October 29, 1956 Jewish armed gangs 49
The massacre of Khan Younes on November 03, 1956 Jewish armed gangs 250
The massacre of Khan Younes on November 12, 1956 Jewish armed gangs 275
Sabra & Shatila Camps on September 16/17/18, 1982 Kata'ib Jewish armed gangs
3500
The massacre of Oyon Qara on May 20, 1990 Jewish armed gangs 7
The massacre of Al-Aqsa Mosque on October 08, 1990 Jewish Army 23
The massacre on Palestinian Folk in different places of occupied Middle East in
year 1991 and 1992 Jewish Fascists killed (totally, plus) a lot of human;
United Nations allowed of to declare counts... U. N. concentrated to massacre
Iraqian people... The massacre on Palestinian Folk in different places of
occupied Middle East in year 1993 Jewish Fascists killed 187 human The
massacre of Ebrahime Mosque on February 25, 1994 Baruch Goldstein 53 The
massacre on passsengers of M/S Estonia ferry on September 28, 1994; Radioactive
Weapon smugglers to the Western allied who always collaborate with Swedish
Jewish lobbies, on Baltic Sea, massacred and prevented all kind of
investigations on the bodies of 852
The massacre on Palestinian Folk in different places of occupied Middle East in
year 1994 Jewish Fascists killed (totally, plus) 144 human The massacre on
Palestinian Folk in different places of occupied Middle East in year 1995 Jewish
Fascists killed (totally, plus) 48 human The massacre of Qana on April
18, 1996 Jewish armed gangs 109 The massacre on Palestinian Folk in
different places of occupied Middle East in year 1997 Jewish Fascists killed
(totally, plus) 20 human The massacre on Palestinian Folk in different
places of occupied Middle East in year 1998 Jewish Fascists killed (totally,
plus) 27 human The massacre on Palestinian Folk in different places of
occupied Middle East in year 1999 Jewish Fascists killed (totally, plus) 8 human
The massacre on Palestinian Folk in different places of occupied Middle East in
year 2000 Jewish Fascists killed (totally, plus) 292 human The Massacre of
Khan Younis on November 22, 2001 Jewish armed gangs, by toys- (mouse traps
/mines) 5 Children
The Massacre of Rafah on February 4, 2002-Jewish armed gangs, Assassination , 5
youngs The Massacre of Balata Camp (Nablus) and Nur Al-Shamps (Jenin) on Feb.
28-March 1, 2002-Jewish armed gangs, 2 little children, 28 youngs The
massacre of Jenin and Nablus-Bloody Monday on March 4, 2002, Jewish armed gangs
30 The massacre of Tullkarem (West Bank), Gaza and Betlehem-Bloody
Friday on March 8, 2002, Jewish armed gangs 49 The massacre of whole
Palestine- Bloody Easter 30 March -3 April 2002, Jewish Army 200
The massacre of Jenin- Ongoing Bloody Easter Slaughter- on April 4, 2002,
Jewish armed gangs 32
The massacre of Nablus- Human Hunting Weekend; on April 7-8, 2002, Jewish armed
gangs 36
The massacre of Jenin- Ongoing Slaughting; on April 9, 2002, Jewish armed
gangs massacred over 500 human
The massacre of Jenin- Ongoing Slaughting; on April 14, 2002, Jewish armed
gangs massacred over 70 human The massacre of Hebron/Palestinian Police
HQ/ on June 28, 2002,Jewish armed gangs 15 The massacre of Gaza Strip on July
22, 2002; Jewish armed gangs 17
The massacre of Gaza Gazze on July 25, 2002; Jewish armed gangs 15
The massacre of Gaza Strip Strip on September 23, 2002; Jewish armed gangs
10 The massacre of Al Amal in Gaza Strip Strip on October 07, 2002; Jewish
armed gangs at least killed 17 human...
The massacre of Gaza Strip Strip on October 13, 2002; Jewish armed gangs
6...
The massacre of Rafah on October 17, 2002; Jewish armed gangs 8
The massacre of Al-Bureij refugee Camp in Gaza on December 6, 2002; Jewish
armed gangs 10
The massacre of Carni border in Gaza on December 11, 2002; Jewish armed gangs
5
The massacre of West Bank towns on December 26, 2002; Jewish Armed gangs 9
The massacre of Maghazi refugee camp (in Gaza) on January 7, 2003; Jewish Armed
gangs 6
The massacre of Maghazi refugee camp (in Gaza) on January 8, 2003; Jewish Armed
gangs 5
The massacre of Gaza on January 24, 2003; Jewish Armed gangs 3 The
massacre of Gaza on January 26, 2003; Jewish Armed gangs 13
The massacre of West Bank in Gaza on January 28, 2003; Jewish Armed gangs 7
....and much more as ongoing TRUE HOLOCAUST...
- Shame on the double faced civilization!

**

- What are you thinking on these incredible scenes? - We must know that
our weakness is Imperialism's strength, I understand here again... - I agree
with you, Comrade Jonas Hållén! - You are welcome, Comrade Lars Törnman!
**
- I think, democracy should work better!.. Criminals and collaborators should be
arrested!
- Should we arrest the criminals?!. Don't make me laugh! - Well, I see the
double roles and false rules of the juridical instruments... What a shame we
been forced to label it "democracy"... How thus majority of people, thus living
creators, stinky mass could be so incredible nonsense blind meanwhile all the
enormous fraudulent process?!.. Unbelieveable!... This is a glaring
injustice!.. I wonder, what goes wrong by the juridical instruments... How can I
say?! It is very strange!... You now, if you see all these incredible cases,
thick-headed attitudes... - How? Do you explain? What is concrete that
you remember? - Yes, I remember that David Janzon, a redactional worker of
Radio Islam, was sentenced to 4 months' imprisonment in October 1992, for the
station's agitation "against an ethnic group". Are the provocators of Capitalist
Fascist lobbies are really a ethnical group?! - There is so specially
groups? Okay, Jews!... It's the overclass group, nobody can imitate such
shurks... - But when you been oppressed so your accusation can only
be refuseed... The shurks are the masters 'cause they experinced a lot of cruel
methodes since many years... You can only suffer like many freedom fighters...
- Concrete cases? - Very much!... The judges of system who play dirty
rolls... It is extra incredible on Swedish justice-scenes that many foolish
judges been corrupted by Jewish authorities and they play extra horrible rolls
as pycho-proff doctor magister at policlinics... I can not meet all the judges
nor observate all the cases but I met many high-staff at Golf Club Tenerrife,
they explained... Shameful!... I can not explain here what they say on the
corrpted colleges, so awfully shameful... ... Court material look likes
simetrical sences, reasons are too similarly... Many papers of court been
published by the Bonniers, Nordstedt... Same mechanism publish as basic Zionist
propagand material, too... EU-membership... After 1995 impressed it by the
democratical authorities of other countries? - Unfortunately, it's in all
frauds, much more dirty now... If any true jurist goes to United Nations related
commissions or the independent justice authorities, so we shall most interesting
scandals... - What kind of scandals? - For instance Osmo
Vallo&Tony Mutka and other members of the "assassination on the so called
Resande Folket" cases... Märta Pettersson and others who murdered by the
"imported criminals" like Bengalian Zionist Mafia moblized in the EU; similarly
recruitment cases... Remember; what the relatiives of Tony Deogan, Dagmar
Hagelin, Anders Gustavsson demand... - Don't make me worry with
examles, don't list please much more!.. - It's not me who create the
official shame lists!.. Did you hear Osmo Vallo's two brothers and all other
relatives are arrested, too... The victims and witness been arrested instead of
murderers... Otherway, many freedom fighters forced to be jobless and living
under minimal standards... Most famous concret case is Stefan Dimiter
Tcholakov who labelled as "laborious" and Work Rights fighters Jimmie
Östergren, delegated adviser (former grafiker) Bengt Pettersson and Ahmed Rami,
because of these bravehearts criticized the thieves by the Capitalist Jewish
lobbies... Laponians who fight for own mark and minority rights, therefore
prisoned their representative character Olof T. Johansson, the true Socialists
like Bengt Frejd, Sara Lidman, Staffan Ehnebom, so-called the "Free Speech
Fighters", anti-Capitalist demonstranter like Jan Hatto, Sten Arne-Zerpe,
Dietlieb Felderer, movements who struggle against the weapon-handlers like
Henrik Westander (before professur-chair gift) and by his side likely flexible
Calle Höglund, anti-Imperialists Hannes Westberg, Herman Schmid, journalists
Staffan Beckman, Stefan Hjertén, free-mind intellectuals like Rainer Holm, Linus
Brohult, honoured priest K. G. Hammar and hundreds of the anti-Imperialists who
been registrated by the lobbies... - What is common with them? -
Also! When a Fascist accuse them so judges punish the reviewers, immediately...
But when the oppressed people leave any accusation acceptance, can easily be
refuseed ... The requests of them almost been absolutely refuseed... Read two
different cover of assassinations for example one victim called Daniel
WRETSTRÖM and second one Tony DEOGAN; so you'll be shocked if you discover many
incredible freakness, parallel points; for instance how the prosecutors and
judges corrupted by financial lobbies and how all the gang members released, how
the evidences disappointed, witnesses forced to go in silence or they
disapponted, too...
- Why the DN, Expressen and other big papers awoid of to publich these true
stories?.. They awoid of to show the real discrimination?! Schindler's List was
only a filmatic illusion, actually the true boss never gave a chance peace in
communities... You know, Bonniers, Wallenberg, Bilderberg-gangs and "Bulldogs"
drive the Swindlers' lists, means all the honoured intellectuals been
registrated on their computers... Therefore Stockholm-Canberra changed to be
second plot area of Jew York-Tel Aviv's armed Mafia... - Yes, it's!.. But
what a lucky I have been warned before!. - The authorities are blind on
such actions.. Why? - Because every big shurk drives by the big lobbies in
this big SvekJa zionized Kingdom... - ?! - How can we could
informed and know the truth!?... - I can't reply all in two minutes?!
- Well!... I understand better... It's a modernised version of enormous
hypocrisy... And I understand why the worlkd couldn't react when Jews slaughed
people in Sabra, Shatila, Jenin... Everybody watched on tv meanwhile druck
Coca-Cola, chips, bonbons... - Like the film-druged idiots?.. - No,
Sir!... We have incredible reactions and collaborated feelings too, remember,
we all cried when we watched on the Swindler's list, whole lies master-piece on
scenes... - Shame on double-moral masters!.. Where are the all good peoples
now?! - No way to Pessimism, please!.. Well, I see a positive case here on
the Scandinavian Jewish DN, Expressen, Menorah pages; Maximum sentence for the
desecration of cemeteries - an outrage which traditionally targeted Jewish
cemeteries - was raised from 6 months' imprisonment to 2 years. Yes, the
prisonment period raised in 1993, Spring. Then... - It should not calls for
case; it's provocation... There is no any single case in SvekJa, means nobody
sentenced, nobody improsined for desecrations.. - Maximum sentence will be
2 years! Isn't good? - I want not talk on the sentences good or not
good... But I'm coming from Skaane and I witnessed who targeted the
cemeteries... - Who? - Jews!... I saw them... They were there
and porovoced very succesful so they manipulated sitation... Therefore there is
no prisoner after this pharagraph ' cause they aimed change the rules...
- I remember a similarly case, my mother witnessed and told us about the foxy
Jews who played theatre at the street on 30 November in Germania... It was
before WW III, Jewish fanatics crashed own glass and won enormous generous
compensation by the reasurance firms... But their media manipulated the world by
the help of american Imperialism so all the analphabets crying on every 30
September worldwide, every year like a crying festival, meantime the Zionist
boss' laughing behind the windows...
**
- This is not the Cold War but a form of ongoing Cold War, what drives now by
the lobbies... This area demands the prejudiced scientists... - Why the
oppressed folk don't protest or discuss these problems... - Ever and never!
This is not the results of the football matches... People need knowledge on
biological developments... - Biological? Bur the lobotomies and
sterilization methodes were only in last century?! - System have now most
avanced methodes for instance isolation, registration and systematically
injustice... Only two tousand youngs become suicide in SvekJa Kingdom, two times
been a short news.. - Youngs?... But adults? - They never
counts by half officially pools.... Animal lover bourgeoisie have
sex-partner-dogs, counts for identification and health rights, but not the
discriminated persons... Never mind!... - There aren't really a single
one modernized democratical institution?
- ?! ** - I wonder why many
immigrants sets to work without language courses meanwhile many others been
discriminated because of their language is not "wonderful, brilliant"?.. - I
met many people too... For example after Warszawa pakt's collapse fleed
manybiologs to the occupied Middle East, Australia, SvekJa and specially the
laboratory workers sets on the jobs without any oppression... - Did you
found any explain about this subject?.. - Not directly... I met a family
in SvekJa, who calls for BOLDTs, escaped from Baltics by the way of so-called
"official Al Capone Raoul Wallenberg" Co's false Finnish pass and corrupted
authorities in Kingdom by the way of Jewish lobbies... A cunning mature, drives
"Invandrar Publications"... She explained that all these scientists had already
one or two international languages what been respected... - She lies!.. I
know a writer, know six or seven language but SvekJa system set him too the
cleaner-catch boy courses... - Yes; I understand... Jolin replied this
case too; "maybe the writer criticised the oligarchical targets..." -
And she publish these subjects on the Invandrar Tidningen? Bravo!... - You
will be chocked; she help to the lobbies to registrate opposite... - Was she
biology-worker in Baltics... - No!... But system need such families to
follow the people and therefore she didn't go to the claenar courses and nor any
language course although her vocabulary is worst when I compare with other
immigrants... Nowadays fixed this family a credit possbility by the lobbies and
Swedish American authorities,looks like a support to publish weekly propagand
bulletin, called "Sesam"... - Is it a propagand bulletin which the
redacteurs in Jew York recommended? - Yes!... Worst and most dangerous in the
world... - Do you explain; what you discovered by Sesam or chief Jolin
Boldt or Jusek/jurists' judadominated syndical sect media runs by Göran Boldt
Co. although this zionist gang never had a single one scientist in the
family!.. - Yes, it's!.. But such chiefs are clever to use the regularly
credits of system... I am an ordinary people and regularly reading all the
issues of Sesam/Jusek falsification magazines and look at on these pages, what
these gangsters provoce: "Immigrants always have problems.. They must complete
their education and integrate to the democratical values..." Very
provocative...It means if you never been accepted as true citizen so you must
think that your education is low, complete it... If immigrated person is
non-judaic originated must complete cources to be disher, even if man is
professor.. But other immigrant who came from Warszawa and presented himself as
academician, accepted to be professor wit´hout a


arslaq al-kabir - 3/3/2003

"By the way, I heard both Messrs. Straw and Powell as well as Madame Palacio try to justify an Iraq attack by claiming Iraq is the only state to attack five neighbours. Israel attacked one in the 56 war, three in the 67 war. One in 81, (Iraq) another in 83 (Lebanon). That’s 6 states. Not counting Palestine, still under attack."


No, my reference is to that part of your original posting I've pasted in above, and specifically to its last and penultimate statements, which evidence your implication that there's a "state of Palestine."

Far be it from me to fog the lens through which you perceive the world. Nonetheless, I'm bound to point out that to imply, as you do, the existence of a "state of Palestine" is either a flight of ingenuous fancy, or a deliberate, disingenuous attempt to misinform and deceive.

In fact, "Palestine" is and always has been, to paraphrase Metternich, "a geographic expression." The Romans coined it back in the C2 AD, to insult and humiliate further the rebellious Jews they'd just laid low, and whose remnants they scattered to the four winds. Thereafter, it stuck qua geographic expression, no more. That's why, prior to Israel's declaration of independence in the spring of '48, the tabloid called today "The Jerusalem Post" was known as "The Palestine Post"; Bank Le'umi, the WZO's financial arm, went by the name Anglo-Palestine Bank; today's Israel Electric Co. back then was the Palestine Electric Co.; and Zionist youth, in the U.S. and elsewhere chorused the inspired, verses of patriotic ditties, like "Palestine, My Palestine" . Those who inhabited the land were labeled "Palestine Arabs" and "Palestine Jews," respectively; but no political distinction attached to their gentile names, for they were subjects of the Brit Mandatory Administration.

After the State of Israel's fait accomplis, Abdullah I, the Brits' Hashemite king-on-a-string, annexed those parts of Cisjordanian Palestine the Israelis hadn't occupied, in compliance with UNGAR 181, and stamped Jordanian citizenship on their Arab inhabitants. From then to the Six-Day War they remained Jordanians, and uttered not so much as peep of complaint about theft of their Palestinian civic identity or poaching of their longed-for Palestinian state. Indeed, even in those fab '50s, Ahmed Shukeiry, the PLO's first chairman, declared before the UN SC that, "It's common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."

Only after the Six-Day War in '67 did signs of a distinct Palestinian identity and aspirations to an independent "state of Palestine" rear up among Palestine Arabs. To say they were expressions of the popular will would be, however, a real stretch. For those who promoted them accounted for a small portion of the Palestine Arab population; and their author, who went under the nom de guerre Yasir Arafat, though a Palestine Arab by heritage, was an Egyptian by birth. Thus, in her memorable '69 interview with Times of London, Golda Meir remarked with biting disdain that, "[t]here were no Palestinians."

That's the tale of the historical tape apropos of your implied "state of Palestine." None of the evidence you trot out proves so much as a whit to the contrary--not Ottoman maps, not the Balfour Declaration, not LON and UN mandates, or the Madrid and Oslo accords either, for that matter. The best that might be said of these last, is that they furnish a blueprint of sorts for the eventual foundation of a bona fide Palestinian state. Put simply: there never has been and there still isn't a "state of Palestine."

Absent any compelling proof that a "state of Palestine" exists or ever existed, perhaps you might find it beneficial to give your belief in it a good, old-fashioned, no-holds-barred reality check.


Gary Robeson - 3/3/2003

" and we all know how uncomfortable *that* can be!" - D. Letterman.

I think it's probably best to be extremely skeptical of all polls these days. In the early days of polling, Americans were unfamiliar with the things and could be counted on to be mostly open and naively honest.

But do you think most people being polled these days are unaware of polls importance in the political arena? Whenever I get hit by a pollster, I usually tailor my answers with an agenda. I bet I'm not the only one. How many people doing this are needed to make a random sampling of 500 Americans inaccurate by over 10%? Not sure? Statistics are a difficult area of mathematics.

And then we have Americans who worry what the neighbors think of them, and a pollster is a kind of neighbor. They will tell the pollster not what they really think, but what they feel safe having the outside world think they think.

And then the polling groups themselves, aware of the power they exert over politics, are objectivly guilty of subtle and sophisticated manipulation of questions to bias a poll in a desired direction.

Of course, if polls can't be trusted how will we know what Americans think? I dunno.



Gary Robeson - 3/3/2003

>you can only rely on ad hominems against the president ("the jerk") then the debate is pointless.

LOL. My substantial point is that the money is real, not illusary. Your response is to say "check out where the money is coming from". Why not just tell us where, if it's such a great argument?

I haven't investigated where the money is coming from. Is Cheney going to donate his Halliburton income? Maybe Bush will have the Treasury print fresh cash. No matter where the money comes from now, the American taxpayer will be left paying for it. Who else would ? ( and just why are no rich nations other then England in our camp? )


And you, Mr. "Ad-Hominum!" complainer, don't say.

I have many substantive issues with the Bush mis-administration as my posts here prove. But it doesn't change the fact that he *is* a jerk.


Gus Moner - 3/2/2003

More importantly, the question is who are the Iraqis the USA will be dealing with? WHo are the 'owners' of the oilfields, who 'owns' the extracting companies? How will the occupying power select them? No details, as usual from the attacking nation.


Gus Moner - 3/2/2003

If you are referring to my comment regarding Israelis attacking nearly all their neighbours and Palestine being one of them, I refer you to the Ottoman Empire's political maps, the BAlfour Declaration, the League of Nations and the UN mandates for Palestine delienating the borders.

Moreover, I would also refer you to the Oslo and Madrid accords the Israelis discarded. If you still cannot find it, I can't help you!


arslaq al-kabir - 3/1/2003

Where, pray tell, is the "state of Palestine," and how long has it existed?


Gus Moner - 2/28/2003

Mr Barker,
Sir, I want to thank you for your interest in the matter and reply to your query.

I’d like to state that my true assertion was not as you claimed. It was that the US ‘worked to ensure the UN did nothing’ NOT to ensure they retained the weapons, but to DO NOTHING. A careful reading would allow you to concur on this critical point.

I am unsure why I need to provide proof of this to you, as it is obvious from a myriad of private and UN reports. It has been commented with frequency in newspapers, and US inaction, reactions and actions as well as comments to the effect are a matter of public record. There have been articles to the effect perhaps even here, certainly in other web sites and magazines, even books!

However, I’ll do my best in the limited amount of time I have to offer. Notwithstanding, I’d like you to tell me why you believe otherwise, if you do. I have only two articles on file to satisfy your curiosity. From the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute:

“Allegations of the use of chemical weapons have been frequent during the Iraq-Iran War. One of the instances reported by Iran has been conclusively verified by an international team dispatched to Iran by the UN Secretary-General. . . On 30 March, (1984, I believe) the UN Security Council issued a statement condemning the use of chemical weapons during the Gulf War. Evidently none of the five permanent member used its veto power to block the condemnation.

In reference to the sources of the chemical agents apparently used, On 30 March, the US government announced the imposition of 'foreign policy controls' on the export to the Gulf-War belligerents of five chemicals that could be used in the production of mustard and nerve gases. US officials told the press that this had been done in response to an unexpected volume of recent orders from Iraq for those chemicals. They also said that Japan, FR Germany and other unspecified European countries had been exporting the chemicals to Iraq.”

Note it was but a statement. Compared to what is being done now, it was a pittance, at best. Thus, the two powers most associated with making war on Iraq to eliminate CW agents this February of 2003 are in act chief suspects in enabling the Iraqi government’s acquisition of CW agents to make weapons. Due to the sensitivity of this and other culpable events coming to light in an in-depth official UN investigation, the USA, UK, France and USSR agreed to leave the statement be without requesting further action. Astoundingly, given the casualties and the blatant violation of international law, NOTHING further was done.

On the same issue, from Stephen F Shalom’s article on the Iran Iraq War, we learn that “On chemical weapons, the Security Council passed no resolution. The United States condemned the use of chemical weapons, but declined to support any Council action against Iraq. The Council did issue a much less significant "statement" in 1985 condemning the use of chemical weapons, but without mentioning Iraq by name; then, in March 1986, for the first time a Council statement explicitly denounced Iraq. This, however, was two years after Iraq's use of chemical warfare had been confirmed by a UN team”. This begs two questions:
1) of why the hullabaloo about it all now?
2) Will the nations who helped Iraq do this be held accountable?

I hope this has been sufficient to help you understand, clearly, that:
a) I NEVER said that the USA put pressure on the UN to ‘ensure Iraq retained its weapons’, as you claimed.
a) there are plenty of sources to document my true assertion as mentioned in the first paragraph
b) the US, Russia, France the UK and others are responsible for Iraq’s development of said weapons. They acquiesced and abetted Iraq in their development through the sale of CW agents and other actions and inactions, and later participated in a diplomatic sleigh-of-hand to minimise the importance. Eventually they conspired to inact and sweep the matter under the rug after a few high and mighty pronouncements.

I am unsure who are the real dangers to world peace.


Gus Moner - 2/28/2003

Mr Greenland makes an interesting point. Just how are we going to “‘safeguard’ (these oil riches) for the benefit of the Iraqis?” as Bush, Wolfowitz, Fleischer and Rumsfeld have asserted. It sis so vague to say that and at the same time say nothing of the details it does nothing but raise the spectre of the US taking over these resources. Others have stressed the need to use these resources to cover war and occupation costs in light of the enormous economic mess we have been driven to by the deficit oriented Bush economic policies.

By producing oil from which only they will benefit and improving the infrastructure for future progress? Or are we to use them to pay our costs, our oil companies get their profits and the Iraqis get just enough to keep them quiet?

I have been one of those claiming the Unocal pipeline was in the Afghan plans. Lo and behold, none of those who rebutted my ‘fantasy’ have had the backbone to admit it was in the balance.


Gus Moner - 2/28/2003

My assertion was that the US ‘worked to ensure the UN did nothing.’ NOT to ensure they retained the weapons, but to do nothing. I am unsure why I need to provide proof of it to you, as it is obvious from UN reports, newspapers, US reactions and actions as well as comments to the effect. The have been articles to the effect here, and in other web sites. I doubt I have kept those, however, I’ll have a look in case I can help you find the evidence I based the comment on. I’d like you to tell me why you believe otherwise, if you do.


Josh Greenland - 2/28/2003

Here's a recent article about the oil companies in a US occupied Iraq. Here's a quote from it:

"`For any oil company, being in Iraq is like being a kid in F. A. O. Schwarz,' said one senior European oil executive."

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/22/business/22OIL.html?ex=1046494800&en=389a74e2574bfeab&ei=5062%02%22ner=GOOGLE


Josh Greenland - 2/28/2003

The article's author states the following:

" That mobilization is contributing to shifts in public opinion that could soon limit the president's choices. A recent New York Times/CBS poll indicated that 59 percent of the American respondents favored giving the U.N. weapons inspectors more time to complete their investigations before an act of war."

I recall seeing a similar poll result in the news recently. But the following article has one that with a rather lower percentage (43%) of Americans favoring war if there is UN buyin.
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=2285434

What was remarkable about the article I saw recently and can't now find is that it claimed something like 60% of Americans wanted the war if the UN went along, and mentioned the positions of the remaining 40%, but there didn't seem to be one for people who didn't want the war at all. I was rather suspicious of that news story, since on Feb 25 the San Francisco Chronicle had a front page story about a poll of Californians which had 20% in favor of the war if allies agreed but 42% flatly opposed to it. Sure, California is not the whole US, but it is 1/9th of its total population.

What I'm saying is that I think the author may have gotten hold of a bad statistic, perhaps due to the fault of the news media, which may affect his argument.

Looking at it again, perhaps he had gotten hold of the results of a carefully worded poll question, which would probably have been answered in the affirmative by those who oppose the war if "we shouldn't go to war at all" was not one of the options.


Josh Greenland - 2/28/2003

There may be more reasons than just political expediency for Bush to push this war: oil interests in the US will inevitably benefit from the higher oil prices that would result from interruption of Iraqi oil exports. This is an administration of the extractive industries, make no mistake.

It was supposedly a "leftist fantasy" that the Afghanistan war was prosecuted in part to enable the building of a pipeline through that country, but later the news media announced the conclusion of the Unocal oil pipeline deal. As to Iraq, I recall the administration had proposed taking Iraqi oil after the country was occupied to pay for our war effort. It'd be interesting to know which oilmen are going to get to handle THAT deal, and reap its profits?


Josh Greenland - 2/28/2003

" It is equally plausible -- and I think more likely -- that delaying military action in favor of enhanced inspections will weaken anti-war sentiment ...."

It is also weakening the stock market. From what I understand, the markets want the certainty of knowing we'll have a war, or that we won't. Beyond that, they seem happier right now with news that suggests we may not have a war.

At least for this reason, a long delay before going to war will hurt the economy. I could imagine Bush getting pressure from his social strata, wealthy investors, to make a decision one way or the other and act on it.


Gus Moner - 2/27/2003

From The Economist 27th February 2003:
..."In the event, the United States has agreed to give Turkey $6 billion in grants and $24 billion in loan guarantees. The last remaining hitch was that Turkey, as of February 26th, was still resisting American demands that the package be supervised by the IMF. And, amid cries of betrayal from the Iraqi Kurds, the Americans have also bowed to Turkish demands to set up a cordon sanitaire, perhaps as deep as 40km (25 miles), inside northern Iraq. (The Americans have agreed to arm and disarm the Kurds in the presence of the Turks, who wanted to take charge of this themselves.) A final Turkish condition, at which the Americans balked, was that everything should be put in writing."

So, what's the argument now? We are bribing a government to follow a policy that 90% of its citizens disapprove of. And, to "calm" the waters, we are re-introducing the hated Turks into Iraqui Kurdistan, the oppressors of their cross border brethren in Turkish Kurdistan, to suppress any autonomy moves by those history-smitten people. Brilliant, Mesrs. Pearle, Fleische & Wolfowitz. Simply brilliant.


Gus Moner - 2/27/2003

Remember, an editorial is opinion.


Gus Moner - 2/27/2003

And you believe that? I am surprised. Just the other day he WSJ admitted the Spanish leader was making phone calls at GWB's "behest".


Jonathan Dresner - 2/26/2003

Prof. Toplin seems to be using a very linear model of public opinion in his analysis: the direction of public opinion now is the direction it will remain. It is equally plausible -- and I think more likely -- that delaying military action in favor of enhanced inspections will weaken anti-war sentiment and make the war, if it is necessary, much more winnable.

It is in our long term strategic and national interest to ensure that Iraq does not have weapons of mass destruction. It is also in our long term strategic and national interest to have allies who don't have to be bought off at every vote and to seen as leading through law and justice rather than raw power.


Lee Barker - 2/26/2003

What evidence do you have that the U.S. put pressure on the UN to ensure that Iraq retained its weapons of mass destruction before 1990, as you assert?


Herodotus - 2/26/2003

The WSJ editorial referring to the Old European Eight made it quite clear that the motivation for the letter did not come at all from the White House but from the Italians and the Spanish with the help of the British.


Suetonius - 2/26/2003

If it has gotten to the point that you can only rely on ad hominems against the president ("the jerk") then the debate is pointless.

Check out who is giving the grants. The U.S. ambassador to Turkey is not walking over with a nice check bearing the statue of liberty on it.


Gus Moner - 2/26/2003

I disagree with so-called Herodotus’ assertion that "the money being given to the Turks is not money but guarantees to the banks that will loan the money to the Turkish government...we're not giving them anything." There are $6,000,000,000 in direct write-off of debt, along with $30,000,000,000 of help with other loans, along with political pressure to be admitted to the EU, etc. I recommend that the aforementioned individual read news articles better or get a more reliable source of information!

Additionally, pelase note that the letter writing and all the strong-arming in person or by phone is being done at BUSH’S behest, with WSJ acquiescence. They have themselves revealed it. The people of those nations whose leaders are trundling off to war in their name are not in favour of war, they have seen and heard this warmongering and fear mongering before. In the UK, Spain and Italy were the three largest turnouts on Earth against the war, with Spain’s total number accounting for 10% of the entire population demonstrating against their government’s stand on war!

By the way, intentionality is NOT a word. It is intentions, or intention. Please, everyone, stop inventing ridiculous words!

When we discover the weapons, we’ll discuss the alternatives. Iraq has apparently had the weapons for 20 years. The US made no effort to rid Iraq of them when they USED them, for we were allied with them then against Iran, and Schultz, Bush and Rumsfeld all worked to ensure the UN did nothing then. Why now the urgency? Why is everyone in such a rush to go to war?

If he does not come clean, the inspectors will so inform the UN and that body will have to make a decision. It’s as simple as that. By the way, I heard both Messrs. Straw and Powell as well as Madame Palacio try to justify an Iraq attack by claiming Iraq is the only state to attack five neighbours. Israel attacked one in the 56 war, three in the 67 war. One in 81, (Iraq) another in 83 (Lebanon). That’s 6 states. Not counting Palestine, still under attack. Just who is a threat here and now?





Gary Robeson - 2/26/2003

From an A.P. dated Feb25
> Diplomats have said the package would include $10 billion in grants and $5 billion in loans. Turkey wants the U.S. aid to be separate from its IMF-backed economic reform program.

Whereas the modern man with the ancient name said
>(the money being given to the Turks is not money but guarantees to the banks that will loan the money to the Turkish government...we're not giving them anything

The modern man is mistaken. Turkey is getting cash on the barrelhead, enough cash to give 500,000 Americans a four year college education.

This jerk infesting the White House is using our nation as his own personal plaything, and we will be hated and poorer when he is done.


Herodotus - 2/26/2003

The financial assistance aside (the money being given to the Turks is not money but guarantees to the banks that will loan the money to the Turkish government...we're not giving them anything), the United States is not coercing or strongarming anyone.

Note that the Vilnius Ten and the old European Eight (both groups of which signed letters stating support for the U.S. position) did not come from U.S. demands that such letters be written.

It is a question of intentionality: the Iraqis do not have the intention of disarming, because to do so would be to admit that Hussein had been put in his place and he would lose face. Assuming you acknowledge that the Iraqs _do_ have banned weapons (from your penultimate paragraph), then how is it that three months hasn't been enough? The South Africans sure disarmed their nuclear and biological program pretty quickly without any badgering from the UN.

Frankly: what is the alternative if the Iraqis do have the weapons and they are not disarming? Then what?


Gus Moner - 2/26/2003

There are many nations involved, yes. At what price? Last week I read in the Miami Herald that Jeb Bush promised Spanish business leaders, important, substantial economic advantages in return for their government’s support of US policy. As an example, Turkey is today debating the acceptance of a bribe; an economic package worth US $36,000,000,000 in exchange for permission to invade Iraq through Turkish land.

Other examples include European nations, mostly Eastern, which have been coerced by US arm twisting on NATO participation or cashing in chips on the defeat of the Soviet ogre. Ukraine is providing chemical warfare units in exchange for future considerations on NATO and a short memory on questionable AA radar sales. Chile receives threats on free trade if it does not acquiesce. On and on the list goes. Ultimatums and pressure aside, all part of the diplomatic game, time must be provided to disarm Iraq before invasion is considered.

As the commentary states, “Deeper forces are (indeed) at work” (…) and indeed “this is not Vietnam folks”. Deeper issues are at stake, such as the viability of an international system based on the peaceful resolution of conflicts. The viability of the UN, a system placing peaceful resolution of conflicts as the only acceptable means of dispute resolution.


Herodotus - 2/25/2003

To believe this argument is to assume that only the United States is involved. Forget at your peril that nations from Australia to the Ukraine are now involved in the operation, and do so out of conviction that this is the right choice to take, not because of domestic U.S. politics.

Deeper forces are at work. The misinformed protesters are not having any affect at all on the war plans. This isn't Vietnam, folks.


dan - 2/25/2003

So, in essence, what you are saying is Bush has painted himself into a corner, and we will be soon going to war for no particular reason other than political expediency. I had suspected as much. Thanks for the confirmation.


Gary Robeson - 2/25/2003

good point. a rare point.

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